Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up"

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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#62 » by HotrodBeaubois » Wed Jan 9, 2013 9:22 pm

NBA upgrades takedown of Dirk to a flagrant foul

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By Eddie Sefko / Reporter
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1:25 pm on January 9, 2013 | Permalink


If you thought the takedown Utah big man Derrick Favors put on Dirk Nowitzki Monday night was a bit excessive, the NBA agrees with you.

The league has upgraded the foul on Favors to a flagrant-1, meaning the judgment was that Favors used extreme and unnecessary force during the foul.

The play happened with 11:16 to play and marked the beginning of a fourth quarter when the Jazz got more physical and forced the Mavericks into six turnovers and 5-of-16 shooting. The Mavericks were up eight at the time, but were outscored 26-12 the rest of the way.

Nowitzki has been public enemy No. 1 in Utah, going back to his on-court brushes with Andrei Kirilenko, among others. This no doubt will cement his reputation with Jazz fans. In this instance, Favors and Nowitzki were tangled up in the paint and a falling-down Favors used an arm to pull Nowitzki to the floor.

The NBA reviews all flagrant fouls and personal fouls that are deemed to be controversial enough to merit upgrading to a flagrant.

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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#63 » by Ice Trae » Wed Jan 9, 2013 9:24 pm

Lol, hey jazz fans is Marvin Williams still falling on the floor often? He had to have lead the league in falling on the floor last year
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#64 » by Xsy » Wed Jan 9, 2013 9:36 pm

BasedJohnson wrote:Lol, hey jazz fans is Marvin Williams still falling on the floor often? He had to have lead the league in falling on the floor last year


lol, to be honest, I don't even notice he's on the floor most of the time. :lol:
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#65 » by orange_juice32 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 9:57 pm

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orange_juice32 wrote:Away teams getting homered by the refs in Utah. Utah fans making excuses for their team's dirty play.

Nothing new here, this stuff spans back to the Malone days.


Hehe. That's one (probably unfair) way of looking at it.

No one, as far as I know, has ever provided a satisfactory explanation for why NBA refs would be biased in favor of Utah of all teams in the league, a team that the NBA front office could care less about as they provide a negligible amount of overall revenue to the league - revenue that could easily be surpassed by placing the Jazz in Las Vegas or St. Louis.

That's because they have none, because people who usually make this claim are just whiners. Every home team who has a loud crowd gets those sort of calls.


Yeah, everyone that notices this is just making it up and has sour grapes over Utah's incredible success as a franchise. NO ONE is whining, there is nothing to whine about, when a team has this kind of homecourt advantage and never really wins anything. Get over yourself.

It's not like your own fellow fan didn't provide an explanation a few posts up from you. Try reading.
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#66 » by Nate505 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:13 pm

orange_juice32 wrote:Yeah, everyone that notices this is just making it up and has sour grapes over Utah's incredible success as a franchise. NO ONE is whining, there is nothing to whine about, when a team has this kind of homecourt advantage and never really wins anything. Get over yourself.

It's not like your own fellow fan didn't provide an explanation a few posts up from you. Try reading.


If there is nothing to whine about, what exactly are you whining about?

I did read his explanation. He is right in the sense that it explains why the crowd at Utah is so loud. But the Jazz don't have any sort of advantage that OKC or Portland or Golden State or any team with a loud arena doesn't have. They may have an advantage over the Bobcats and the Hornets of the world, but not most other teams.
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#67 » by HotrodBeaubois » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:15 pm

pace31 wrote:http://rubasket.com/component/joomleague/?func=showReport&mid=3475#high

Go to the 2:22:15 mark to see the Dirk/Hayward incident


Ok i give you the Dirk elbow not sure if he meant to or not , but at the point after he got body slammed i would be ready to throw elbows on theirt star player too.

Doesnt hide the fact that the body slam was a flagrant with Dallas up 8 it would have meant Dirk shooting 2 free throws for a probable 10 point lead and the ball . Does Utah still come back probably not .

Also your broadcasters have to be the Most Homer Broadcasters evrything oh that was a foul but would cry about Dallas fouls . Or praise the team for fouls that werent called like Haywards block on Beaubois dunk he fouled him in the chest before he blocks the shot . Or Milsaps block on Collison that clearly hit glass before he blocked it clear Goaltend.

Utah was gifted this game with the 36 FTA to Dallas probably because of Cuban complaining about the calls the previous game . Or maybe not Utah always gets 36-42 FTA when playing Dallas @ Home
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#68 » by Nate505 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:20 pm

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pace31 wrote:http://rubasket.com/component/joomleague/?func=showReport&mid=3475#high

Go to the 2:22:15 mark to see the Dirk/Hayward incident


Ok i give you the Dirk elbow not sure if he meant to or not , but at the point after he got body slammed i would be ready to throw elbows on theirt star player too.

Doesnt hide the fact that the body slam was a flagrant with Dallas up 8 it would have meant Dirk shooting 2 free throws for a probable 10 point lead and the ball . Does Utah still come back probably not .

Also your broadcasters have to be the Most Homer Broadcasters evrything oh that was a foul but would cry about Dallas fouls . Or praise the team for fouls that werent called like Haywards block on Beaubois dunk he fouled him in the chest before he blocks the shot . Or Milsaps block on Collison that clearly hit glass before he blocked it clear Goaltend.

Utah was gifted this game with the 36 FTA to Dallas probably because of Cuban complaining about the calls the previous game . Or maybe not Utah always gets 36-42 FTA when playing Dallas @ Home


On what planet do you think that Dallas had any sort of momentum in that game. They got whipped in the 2nd half of the 4th quarter. By 8 or 10 Utah was winning that game. And the fact that Dirk should have got a flagrant was negated by the fact that Hayward should have got a flagrant. They didn't even call a foul there.

Utah got to the line because Dallas fouls a lot because they are old and not very good on defense. Teams average 26 FTA against Dallas. That' "good" for 2nd worst in the league. They foul a lot because frankly, that's all they can do. Dirk and Kaman have to be the worse defensive big man tandem in the league, though I'll give you Al and Millsap pushing for that title.
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#69 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:23 pm

I think this is the incident being referred to in the bit about Dirk's reputation with Jazz fans. Go to the 18 second point.

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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#70 » by Nate505 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:25 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:I think this is the incident being referred to in the bit about Dirk's reputation with Jazz fans. Go to the 18 second point.


Golly gee, he was just playing hard and playing the ball and damn those Jazz fans and their total homecourt bias from the refs and stupid Mormons and blah blah blah
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Post#71 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:27 pm

HotrodBeaubois wrote:
StocktonShorts wrote:Dirk gives as good as he gets. He's thrown his share of cheap shots and he was trying to provoke Favors there.

Kaman also tried to tackle Al by his neck. It was a physical game on both sides and I was surprised to see Carlisle complain about it -- especially using such a charged word to describe it.



Get real Kamans foul on Al was nothing compared to the Favors Body Slam of Dirk


Hitting a guy around the head/neck is definitely more dangerous than two guys getting tangled up and falling to the floor.
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#72 » by HotrodBeaubois » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:28 pm

Nate505 wrote:
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pace31 wrote:http://rubasket.com/component/joomleague/?func=showReport&mid=3475#high

Go to the 2:22:15 mark to see the Dirk/Hayward incident


Ok i give you the Dirk elbow not sure if he meant to or not , but at the point after he got body slammed i would be ready to throw elbows on theirt star player too.

Doesnt hide the fact that the body slam was a flagrant with Dallas up 8 it would have meant Dirk shooting 2 free throws for a probable 10 point lead and the ball . Does Utah still come back probably not .

Also your broadcasters have to be the Most Homer Broadcasters evrything oh that was a foul but would cry about Dallas fouls . Or praise the team for fouls that werent called like Haywards block on Beaubois dunk he fouled him in the chest before he blocks the shot . Or Milsaps block on Collison that clearly hit glass before he blocked it clear Goaltend.

Utah was gifted this game with the 36 FTA to Dallas probably because of Cuban complaining about the calls the previous game . Or maybe not Utah always gets 36-42 FTA when playing Dallas @ Home


On what planet do you think that Dallas had any sort of momentum in that game. They got whipped in the 2nd half of the 4th quarter. By 8 or 10 Utah was winning that game. And the fact that Dirk should have got a flagrant was negated by the fact that Hayward should have got a flagrant. They didn't even call a foul there.

Utah got to the line because Dallas fouls a lot because they are old and not very good on defense. Teams average 26 FTA against Dallas. That' "good" for 2nd worst in the league. They foul a lot because frankly, that's all they can do. Dirk and Kaman have to be the worse defensive big man tandem in the league, though I'll give you Al and Millsap pushing for that title.


You outscored us by 12 in the 4th quarter which would have been 10 or less with the flagrant free throws and the ball . And the point is the uncalled flagrant was the momentum changer so without the flagrant the momentum doesnt change just like the Dirk/ Hayward uncallede flagrant probably doesnt since dirk isnt pissed for getting body slammed with no call.

And sure teams average 26 FTA against Dallas but Utah averages 39 FTA against Dallas you see the difference?
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#73 » by HotrodBeaubois » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:30 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:I think this is the incident being referred to in the bit about Dirk's reputation with Jazz fans. Go to the 18 second point.

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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#74 » by Catchall » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:30 pm

No way Marvin Williams hits the floor more than DWade. But yeah, Marv mostly hangs out on the perimeter with the Jazz.
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#75 » by Catchall » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:31 pm

This was a physical game both ways. Kaman had a flagrant foul grabbing Jefferson around the head earlier.
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Post#76 » by Catchall » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:31 pm

This was a physical game both ways. Kaman had a flagrant foul grabbing Jefferson around the head earlier.
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Post#77 » by HotrodBeaubois » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:33 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:
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StocktonShorts wrote:Dirk gives as good as he gets. He's thrown his share of cheap shots and he was trying to provoke Favors there.

Kaman also tried to tackle Al by his neck. It was a physical game on both sides and I was surprised to see Carlisle complain about it -- especially using such a charged word to describe it.



Get real Kamans foul on Al was nothing compared to the Favors Body Slam of Dirk


Hitting a guy around the head/neck is definitely more dangerous than two guys getting tangled up and falling to the floor.


Thats stupid ...Kamans flagrant was harmless and incidental . Favors Flagrant wasnt 2 guys getting tangled up and falling to the floor. It was Favors acting like dunbass player he is since he was called for the offensive foul on Dirk the play before so he went at Dirk and body slammed it wasnt 2 guys harmlessly falling to the floor .
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#78 » by Nowitness » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:34 pm

Didn't see the replay for the Hayward play, but it sort of looked like a flop, even if he did hit him, Hayward and the Jazz got the last laugh. I don't blame Dirk for the Kirelinko play either he came down, tried to get the ball, and momentum brought Kirelinko down with him. Mavs need to stop complaining IMO, get physical and hustle for boards, quit asking for calls.
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Re: Carlisle accuses Jazz of "thugging it up" 

Post#79 » by Nate505 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:36 pm

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You outscored us by 12 in the 4th quarter which would have been 10 or less with the flagrant free throws and the ball . And the point is the uncalled flagrant was the momentum changer so without the flagrant the momentum doesnt change just like the Dirk/ Hayward uncallede flagrant probably doesnt since dirk isnt pissed for getting body slammed with no call.

And sure teams average 26 FTA against Dallas but Utah averages 39 FTA against Dallas you see the difference?


Ahh I get it, when the flagrant is on the Jazz and is missed it's some sort of massive momentum changer that just totally screws the Mavs, but the flagrant on the Jazz is irrelevant because poor Dirk was frustrated and would have never happened. Sure, and they say Jazz fans try to justify everything.

And you're missing the point of an average. It takes numbers that are higher than normal and lower than normal to come up with the average. The Jazz have a good offensive frontcourt, so it's not shocking that a team with extremely poor defensive players would get more FTs against a team with frontcourt players score lots of points in the paint.
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Post#80 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:40 pm

MavsManiac4Life wrote:Didn't see the replay for the Hayward play, but it sort of looked like a flop,


Hayward -- at least so far in his young career -- doesn't really flop. He almost does the opposite: he puts himself in bad situations, gets hammered and doesn't sell the contact to get a call.

MavsManiac4Life wrote:I don't blame Dirk for the Kirelinko play either he came down, tried to get the ball, and momentum brought Kirelinko down with him.


That's certainly possible. I just linked to it because the quoted news piece seemed to make reference to Dirk's reputation with Jazz fans, and I think that reputation mostly stems from that incident.

MavsManiac4Life wrote:Mavs need to stop complaining IMO, get physical and hustle for boards, quit asking for calls.


Yeah, it's really not surprising when things aren't going well for a team (any team) that they try to blame external forces. Cuban set a good (bad) example for Carlisle in this regard.
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