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Post#16 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:06 am by gordito

Anyone think he'll make the 1st team over Kobe?
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Post#17 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:06 am by BaunceyChillups

Rockets win like 17 games without Harden this year
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Post#18 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:10 am by Dupp

Not top 3 no.
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Post#19 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:11 am by mj234eva

BaunceyChillups wrote:Rockets win like 17 games without Harden this year


False.
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Post#20 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:13 am by black bart

he isn't playing with a weak cast. I'm pretty sure parsons, lin, and asik are top 15 in the league at their position.
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Post#21 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:14 am by xxSnEaKyPxx

Guy986 wrote:
DGrangeRx33 wrote:I wouldn't say the Rockets have a weak cast..

I think he has been great, but I wouldn't say he is having an MVP season either. Hard to overcome LeBron and Durant.


Rockets have the #1 highest scoring team in the league and Chandler Parsons is 2nd on the team in scoring @14ppg.

Rockets really still need a number 2 option.

Maybe...but also shows the have quality depth.
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Post#22 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:24 am by BaunceyChillups

mj234eva wrote:
BaunceyChillups wrote:Rockets win like 17 games without Harden this year


False.


nah it's true

Jeremy Lin as a number 1 option is the worst team in the league
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Post#23 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:26 am by Left Side Drive

BaunceyChillups wrote:
mj234eva wrote:
BaunceyChillups wrote:Rockets win like 17 games without Harden this year


False.


nah it's true

Jeremy Lin as a number 1 option is the worst team in the league

Without Harden because of injury or if the trade wasn't made? If the latter then K-mart would still be the number one option.
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Post#24 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:26 am by mj234eva

BaunceyChillups wrote:
mj234eva wrote:
BaunceyChillups wrote:Rockets win like 17 games without Harden this year


False.


nah it's true

Jeremy Lin as a number 1 option is the worst team in the league


Did you forget they traded guys to get Harden? They also won 34 games last season, and had loads of injuries...
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Post#25 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:27 am by Clyde Frazier

Don't see him finishing any higher than 5th. Rockets would need a top 5 record in the league for him to finish any higher.
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Post#26 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:30 am by junot111

He is definitely very valuable to his team. He bails them out on several occasions (I say this because I'm a Lin fan so I've seen it first hand). However, as a player I believe he is slightly overrated. It's hard to say but I don't see him as that high of an impact player. It's like the Rockets shouldn't be winning but they are. But you could say they've had an easy schedule.
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Post#27 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:31 am by Guy986

mj234eva wrote:
Did you forget they traded guys to get Harden? They also won 34 games last season, and had loads of injuries...


Not the same team as last year. Rockets lost 4 of their top 5 scorers via free agency or amnesty. They lost Scola, Lowry, Dragic and Lee.
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Post#28 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:31 am by holly1985

Guy986 wrote:
DGrangeRx33 wrote:I wouldn't say the Rockets have a weak cast..

I think he has been great, but I wouldn't say he is having an MVP season either. Hard to overcome LeBron and Durant.


Rockets have the #1 highest scoring team in the league and Chandler Parsons is 2nd on the team in scoring @14ppg.

Rockets really still need a number 2 option.


Part of the problem with other Rockets players is that they're not consistent. One of them may score 20+ in one game but only digital pts in the next one. Parsons didn't have a high scoring game for a while till today. Lin is really inconsistent, the same go with Asik, Morris and Ppts. Also their bench can score a lot but also inconsistent. TD, Greg Smith and Delfino all have high scoring games and bad games.
The good thing is that at least they usually take turns to step up every game.
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Post#29 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:33 am by BaunceyChillups

mj234eva wrote:
Did you forget they traded guys to get Harden? They also won 34 games last season, and had loads of injuries...


Dragic, Lowry, Scola and Courtney Lee weren't traded for Harden
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Post#30 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:33 am by illiance

gordito wrote:Anyone think he'll make the 1st team over Kobe?

Not a chance.
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Post#31 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:36 am by oaklandwarriors

Rockets have been very healthy all year, and they play at an extremely high pace which can lead to slowdown post all-star break. While I think Houston makes the playoffs it will be tough to maintain this pace.
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Post#32 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:37 am by mj234eva

Guy986 wrote:
mj234eva wrote:
Did you forget they traded guys to get Harden? They also won 34 games last season, and had loads of injuries...


Not the same team as last year. Rockets lost 4 of their top 5 scorers via free agency or amnesty. They lost Scola, Lowry, Dragic and Lee.


But would still have Martin, Lin, Asik, Parsons (who I really like), among other players. So, so no I doubt they'd be that bad.

And like I said before, even with all their injures (Lowry missed almost 20 games and Martin missed more than 25) and they still ended over .500.
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Post#33 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:39 am by Doctor MJ

colts18 wrote:The Rockets are on pace to win 50 games and Harden is averaging 27-5-5, .600 TS% and playing great ball with a weak cast that was gutted by Morey during the offseason. Is he is in the same tier as Durant, LeBron if the Rockets win 55 games?


In a weaker year of candidates absolutely. At this point I think by season's end I'll consider his performance more of an MVP year than Rose's actual MVP year was.

This is however a very strong year for candidates. Frankly it's hard to see anyone other than LeBron or Durant winning, and if it is, it seems like that would be because either the Clippers have the best record or the Knicks take the #1 seed in the East and people go a little nuts.
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Post#34 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:44 am by Guy986

mj234eva wrote:
Guy986 wrote:
mj234eva wrote:
Did you forget they traded guys to get Harden? They also won 34 games last season, and had loads of injuries...


Not the same team as last year. Rockets lost 4 of their top 5 scorers via free agency or amnesty. They lost Scola, Lowry, Dragic and Lee.


But would still have Martin, Lin, Asik, Parsons (who I really like), among other players. So, so no I doubt they'd be that bad.

And like I said before, even with all their injures (Lowry missed almost 20 games and Martin missed more than 25) and they still ended over .500.


Rockets wont be 17 win bad obviously but a team consisted of Lin, Martin, Parsons, Morris, Asik would be a terrible half court offensive team. Martin is just a spot up 3pt shooter at this point. Lin would have to work his linsanity magic just to come close to having a top 10 offense.
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Post#35 Re: Is Harden a legit MVP candidate?
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:49 am by mj234eva

Doctor MJ wrote:
colts18 wrote:The Rockets are on pace to win 50 games and Harden is averaging 27-5-5, .600 TS% and playing great ball with a weak cast that was gutted by Morey during the offseason. Is he is in the same tier as Durant, LeBron if the Rockets win 55 games?


In a weaker year of candidates absolutely. At this point I think by season's end I'll consider his performance more of an MVP year than Rose's actual MVP year was.

This is however a very strong year for candidates. Frankly it's hard to see anyone other than LeBron or Durant winning, and if it is, it seems like that would be because either the Clippers have the best record or the Knicks take the #1 seed in the East and people go a little nuts.


Knicks have cooled tremendously since their hot start. 13-4 in their 1st 17, 10-7 in their last. 5 of those losses coming in the last couple weeks. Think Melo has missed a couple of those though.
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