Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games

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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#21 » by ferk » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:16 am

So he's improved
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#22 » by tsherkin » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:41 pm

So yeah, the Heat are a bad rebounding team and Bosh is a part of that. They are the worst offensive rebounding team in the league and an unimpressive, poor defensive rebounding team as well.

Bosh's having his best year yet as a member of the Heat in terms of ORB%. 7.6% is not good, but he's still doing better than he has in years past. He's blowing donkey dong on the defensive boards, though, at under 18% DRB and he's playing a lot at the 5, which makes it even worse. He's a problem there, and always has been because he's a 4 and not a 5. He doesn't have the requisite muscle and he's even slowing down a little. He's trying to balance out this issue by having a fine season on the offensive end, but yeah, he's struggling a LOT on the boards, below his career averages in ORB/DRB/TRB.

So there isn't really a defense for his inadequacy, it's just that he sucks. He's struggling to hit the boards even more so than he has typically done. In Toronto, he wasn't a horrible rebounder for a 4 (actually pretty decent), but he was a poor rebounder for a 5 most seasons and has historically performed rather poorly there.

Other culprits?

They don't play him a ton but Joel Anthony. A fine offensive rebounder and a total waste of skin on the defensive glass. Haslem isn't particularly good on the offensive boards, though he's played well on the defensive glass. Lebron is currently rocking over 20% DRB, so about what Bosh was doing the past two years (and near to Bosh's career average), floating the team. Rashard Lewis obviously can't rebound worth a damn, he's played nearly as much as Joel Anthony. Shane Battier rebounds as well as Mario Chalmers.

Ray Allen and Wade are obviously pulling their weight on the boards.

But that's it, Bosh is the sinkhole. Haslem and Anthony don't play a lot of minutes, and if Ray, Lebron and Wade are pulling their weight on the boards, then unless you expect Mo Chalmers to be leading the charge on the glass from the point, it kind of falls on Bosh's shoulders... where he's notably under-performing. He's never been an elite rebounder and he's never been really good as a center, he was always a PF. Running him at the 5 is a systemic issue. They'd be a lot better off with any number of different players filling the role Bosh is currently playing. He was always the weakest link on that team, ITO the starters.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#23 » by tsherkin » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:43 pm

I should add for TL;DR's sake...

Miami is bad enough on the boards as a team that there are available rebounds which Bosh is not getting. Lebron's quality as a rebounder, and likewise Wade's, is in no way stopping Bosh from being good on the boards (notably so on the offensive end). I can forgive a little his offensive rebounding because he's not Kevin Love and does indeed spend a lot of his time around the elbow or above, which means he's not battling for awesome offensive rebounding position, and he isn't built like a moose, so he can't carve space like a Reggie Evans or something. Dirk isn't a lot different in that regard, and even less athletic. So we can be happy with 7%+ ORB as long as we realize that they need it from someplace else.

It's the defensive boards, where the Heat are also struggling, which are most damning for Bosh.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#24 » by TwentyOne920 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:48 pm

It's pretty damning that Brook Lopez (who's not the best defensive rebounder, although he's a good guy at boxing out and some of the pressure is taken off of him by playing alongside Reggie Evans) has a better defensive rebounding season than Bosh...
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#25 » by Durant 35 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:56 pm

It needs to improve if they want to repeat...as their role players aren't as good as they were last season.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#26 » by tsherkin » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:02 pm

TwentyOne920 wrote:It's pretty damning that Brook Lopez (who's not the best defensive rebounder, although he's a good guy at boxing out and some of the pressure is taken off of him by playing alongside Reggie Evans) has a better defensive rebounding season than Bosh...


By about 1.2% DRB, yep. Lopez has been as good as Bosh's career average or worse to date in his career on the defensive boards. They're roughly the same in that regard, but at least BroPez hits the offensive boards pretty well. This year, he's roughly replicating his rookie-season offensive rebounding, which is nice to see.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#27 » by taii1234 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:04 pm

Hes going through a slump, he will be fine.


Also I find it funny how everyone fails to remember that the Heat were NEVER a good rebounding team after the big 3 joined up. They were ranked 21st in RPG last year when they won the championship.


The Heat specialty isn't rebounding, its playing defense and causing turnovers that lead to fast point scoring.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#28 » by Durant 35 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:13 pm

taii1234 wrote:Hes going through a slump, he will be fine.


Also I find it funny how everyone fails to remember that the Heat were NEVER a good rebounding team after the big 3 joined up. They were ranked 21st in RPG last year when they won the championship.


The Heat specialty isn't rebounding, its playing defense and causing turnovers that lead to fast point scoring.


Problem is they have been trash most of the year even defensively.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#29 » by taii1234 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:37 pm

Durant 35 wrote:
taii1234 wrote:Hes going through a slump, he will be fine.


Also I find it funny how everyone fails to remember that the Heat were NEVER a good rebounding team after the big 3 joined up. They were ranked 21st in RPG last year when they won the championship.


The Heat specialty isn't rebounding, its playing defense and causing turnovers that lead to fast point scoring.


Problem is they have been trash most of the year even defensively.



They haven;t been trash, they're in 1st place in the East. The only reason there defense is bad is because Ray Allen is getting more playing time than Mike Miller and Joel Anthony. Mike Miller also gets them rebounds.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#30 » by Durant 35 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:51 pm

taii1234 wrote:
Durant 35 wrote:
taii1234 wrote:Hes going through a slump, he will be fine.


Also I find it funny how everyone fails to remember that the Heat were NEVER a good rebounding team after the big 3 joined up. They were ranked 21st in RPG last year when they won the championship.


The Heat specialty isn't rebounding, its playing defense and causing turnovers that lead to fast point scoring.


Problem is they have been trash most of the year even defensively.



They haven;t been trash, they're in 1st place in the East. The only reason there defense is bad is because Ray Allen is getting more playing time than Mike Miller and Joel Anthony. Mike Miller also gets them rebounds.


I'm talking defensively. They are in a good position and the fact they play in the east is a big reason why. They will pick it up but how much and will it be enough? Lebron was god like last year in the playoffs. Are their role players good enough and can wade play like he did last season?
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#31 » by mcfly1204 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:58 pm

taii1234 wrote:Hes going through a slump, he will be fine.

A rebounding slump?
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#32 » by Left Side Drive » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:16 pm

Ya let the monthly Bosh bashing begin again...I'm sure a Boozer-Wade-LeBron big three would have won 2 championships by now.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#33 » by izZo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:48 pm

Durant 35 wrote:I'm talking defensively. They are in a good position and the fact they play in the east is a big reason why. They will pick it up but how much and will it be enough? Lebron was god like last year in the playoffs. Are their role players good enough and can wade play like he did last season?

Actually you said they've been trash most of the year even defensively. The defense has been bad but they're starting to pick it up even with the terrible defense they're 1st in the east. You guys act like a team should go hard 82 games. I won't speak on the rest of your post because all of that has yet to be seen.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#34 » by tsherkin » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:58 pm

Durant 35 wrote:Problem is they have been trash most of the year even defensively.


What? They are the 3rd best offense in the league and an above-average defence. They haven't been trash but they have been way less effective compared to their title-year performance, which is not be same as being trash.


taii1234 wrote:Hes going through a slump, he will be fine.


Also I find it funny how everyone fails to remember that the Heat were NEVER a good rebounding team after the big 3 joined up. They were ranked 21st in RPG last year when they won the championship.


The Heat specialty isn't rebounding, its playing defense and causing turnovers that lead to fast point scoring.


21st in RPG, but 10th in DRB% and 19th in ORB% (as opposed to being 30th at the moment) and 22nd in DRB, aka considerably worse than last year at either end of the floor on the boards. It is a problem.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#35 » by CoachKobe » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:07 pm

so much talk about a 3rd option and then people criticize espn for focussing on the heat lol.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#36 » by LLJ » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:12 pm

Are the Heat playing him at the 5 a lot now? He's probably getting tired right about now. It may take a few weeks for him to get a second wind. He always wears out if you play him at the 5 too much.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#37 » by KDgoat » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:12 pm

Bosh has established his value last year in the playoffs when the Heat were struggling mightily with him out and he immediately made a positive impact when he, still injured, came back to play.
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#38 » by tsherkin » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:43 pm

KDGoat, all that says is that missing your starter hurts when you have poor front court depth...
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#39 » by shan-e-b » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:49 pm

Wait for the playoffs..
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Re: Bosh Averaging 6 Rebounds In His Last 25 Games 

Post#40 » by menten » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:55 pm

chris bosh is a soft giraffe

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