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Post#61 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:05 am by toddlincoln

i'm going with they use it for injury recovery but that's probably it; i really can't imagine how blood doping or any other PED i know about would help an nba player long term where it's noticeable

maybe in the playoffs??
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Post#62 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:45 am by Apathy

heatwillbeback wrote:
As for overall use, the NBA relies more on skill than strength- I dont see steroids as a problem like it has been in other sports.


Posters like these are in denial. In no way, shape or form is the NBA more (or less) "skilled" than baseball. Or football. Or hockey.
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Post#63 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:01 am by Shot Clock

Apathy wrote:
heatwillbeback wrote:
As for overall use, the NBA relies more on skill than strength- I dont see steroids as a problem like it has been in other sports.


Posters like these are in denial. In no way, shape or form is the NBA more (or less) "skilled" than baseball. Or football. Or hockey.



Agreed. Whenever this topic comes up people suddenly like to think it's the only athletic sport that wouldn't benefit from things every sport benefits from.

One minute it's 'look at players from years ago, they'd never match up with the physical specimens today' The next minute it's a purely skill based sport. Like no one ever got huge endorsement money for dunking like a freak of nature.

With millions on the table, lots of competition for jobs and lax testing, it's a guarantee that PEDs are being used.
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Post#64 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:04 am by osamu

A lot people have no faith in what the human body can do under natural training. It's those weak people who can't do s**** that yell steroids because they need to find an excuse to justify their sh**y body.
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Post#65 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:07 am by osamu

Apathy wrote:
heatwillbeback wrote:
As for overall use, the NBA relies more on skill than strength- I dont see steroids as a problem like it has been in other sports.


Posters like these are in denial. In no way, shape or form is the NBA more (or less) "skilled" than baseball. Or football. Or hockey.

Come on... you can be as big and strong as joey graham or joey dorsey but that gets you no where without skill. Football :o definitely one sport that uses PEDs. You need that little advantage to go pro in that sport. One injury and you're never the same
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Post#66 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:16 am by Deus

Yes, I think they use. And no, the league doesn't test. It sweeps everything under the rug. Its all marketing.
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Post#67 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:59 am by Shot Clock

http://appliedsportsscience.com/perform ... a-part-ii/

Lots of info out there.

This guy is a top US doctor in the field of unlocking elite athlete's potential. He works with NBA players and prospects.

Here he's talking about androgenic-anabolic steroids (testosterone like drugs)

Firstly, and most obvious as a result of Western media attention, AAS stimulate substantial growth of lean body mass and increases in skeletal muscle strength and power according to a litany of human and animal studies (7, 5).

Increased muscle strength and power is, very plainly, essential for boosting performance in running, cutting, jumping – all of which are necessities in basketball. AAS have also been associated with increased glycogen and creatine phosphate storage in muscle tissue. Both substances serve as fast-acting energy stores for dynamic strength and power in athletes (5).

Secondly, AAS have been shown to boost erythropoiesis (7). Erythropoiesis is a fancy term for the generation of red-blood cells: the oxygen-binding cells in our bodies whose total amount and efficiency is vital in supplying oxygen to tissues. Boosting red blood cells (most commonly seen in endurance sports – i.e. ‘blood doping’) directly effects the body’s ability to work for longer and longer periods of time (8).

Dramatically increasing cardiovascular endurance is indubitably helpful during a 48-minute NBA game (wherein athletes have been measured to cover more than 2.5 miles per game (9)).

Arguably most important for NBA athletes, AAS have been shown to significantly improve recovery. Consider again the nature of common basketball pathologies (e.g. chronic inflammation, muscle strains, etc.) and the incomprehensible amount of time spent traveling by NBA athletes, as noted above. Studies indicate that AAS substantially decrease recovery time between workouts (i.e. reducing the time required to put forth maximal muscle contractions and incurring the coveted anabolic effects of resistance exercise) (5).

The plethora of recuperative and regenerating effects of AAS are evidenced by their widespread use in clinical settings. AAS have been shown to produce a significant increase in bone strength and density. Along these lines, AAS have also been shown to be effective in stimulating tissue healing and have been used on patients suffering from severe burns, debilitating muscle-wasting disorders, and in countless other clinical settings (9). Boosting tissue repair in basketball athletes suffering from chronic inflammatory conditions while also boosting bone density and other anabolic processes is critical for elite basketball players. So, intuitively, one would assume those in charge of the world’s most preeminent basketball organization would be on their research game. The NBA administrators have, hopefully, seen the power of PEDs and their potential draw for basketball athletes… right??? Sadly, wrong.
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Post#68 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:03 pm by Shot Clock

osamu wrote:A lot people have no faith in what the human body can do under natural training. It's those weak people who can't do s**** that yell steroids because they need to find an excuse to justify their sh**y body.


I bet you were a Lance denier too....
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Post#69 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:29 pm by osamu

Shot Clock wrote:
osamu wrote:A lot people have no faith in what the human body can do under natural training. It's those weak people who can't do s**** that yell steroids because they need to find an excuse to justify their sh**y body.


I bet you were a Lance denier too....

Wasn't surprised. To be honest
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Post#70 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:35 pm by gino_giode

I think with all the developments in nutritional supplements and accessibility to cutting edge recuperative therapy, NBA players are basically doping legally. And there are definitely players who could get (buy) a doctor's note for testosterone replacement therapy.

And there are simply too many players in the league to administer tests to, especially during different times of the year. Then of course you'll have objections to getting blood drawn for whatever reason, the NBAPA will contest, and there'll be a prolonged legal battle. Is submitting to random drug tests in their contract?
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Post#71 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:18 pm by cancer

PEDs make it possible for guys to compete at a high level for brutal schedules (ie. 4 games in 6 days)

it's not about enhancing their peak potential as in baseball, but rather sustains their peak performance in basketball.
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Post#72 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:30 pm by spearsy23

Nba players biggest advantage gained would be endurance, I would care less about ped's in the nba than any other sport.
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Post#73 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:17 pm by MrBigShot

Apathy wrote:
heatwillbeback wrote:
As for overall use, the NBA relies more on skill than strength- I dont see steroids as a problem like it has been in other sports.


Posters like these are in denial. In no way, shape or form is the NBA more (or less) "skilled" than baseball. Or football. Or hockey.


He isn't saying that the NBA requires "more or less" skill than other sports, but you have to admit, enhancement drugs tend to have more of a direct effect on performance in other sports, such as baseball. I'm not baseball experts, but I know that steroids will generally help a guy get stronger/bigger which will result in harder hits, and more home runs.

Using enhancement drugs in the NBA has less of a direct affect. Using a drug to aid in muscle growth wont necessarily help you make more shots if aren't skilled enough to shoot well or finish through contact.

In that regard, performance in the NBA is less reliant on them. I think the biggest thing it does is to help their endurance/recovery, which I don't mind. Players already use ice and acupuncture to recover after games anyway. I think allowing them players to play as well as possible during longer stretches is a good thing.
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Post#74 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:23 pm by Hendrix

deliriousmouse wrote:I've probably phrased the Muscles bigger thing incorrectly, You still have to work, it just kills your body's recovery time.

Fair enough. But, higher testosterone levels will increase you body's muscle even without working out. Of course it would be rediculous to do this. However, it's still valid.

For example. Part of this study was to study the change in muscle mass with varying doses of test enanth. http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/2 ... 2.full.pdf

The 50mg group was the closest to replicating the baseline testosterone levels before exogenous administration. They tested at 306ng/dl 7 days after administration. Assuming a 7 day half life of the enanthate ester that would put them at approximately 450ng/dl on average over the course of the week. Slightly less than their baseline, but it is the closest group to baseline. This group pretty much stayed the same in terms of fat free mass.

However, the group that recieved 600mg test enanth/week showed a 7.9kg (17.5lbs) change in fat free mass by the 20th week. The only variable between the 2 groups was the amount administered.


As for the DHEA i've heard mixed results, a guy at the local gym swears by the stuff however im aware quite a few studies have come out and said its utter bull

I imagine he's having a placebo effect if anything. DHEA in and of itself really doesn't do anything. The only thing that does anything are the downstream hormones (test+dht). However, like I said, DHEA is pretty awful at actually increasing these. If it did help in fat reduction, the change would be so miniscule you could hardly point to it being the DHEA. It's not exactly clen.
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Post#75 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:33 pm by Beorn

USA basketball teams doesn't do anti-doping control at the Olympics; If you believe that they don't take anything illegal, you are fools
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Post#76 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:41 pm by TheMidnightSun

i dont know if this has been mentioned yet (probably has) but steroids are not just used for bulking up, steroids can be used to heal injuries faster, so rather than looking at the most built dudes, look for a guy in the playoffs with an injury that starts to dominate, im not sure if ped can be used the same way, i do believe nba players use some sort of peds
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Post#77 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:04 pm by aal04

kodo wrote:
Massamba wrote:In my opinion, Lance is still a great champion. Michael Jordan, Barkley, thoses guys probobly used something, so what? Rafale Araujo used steroids and he never made a great carrer in nba.


The effectiveness of whatever "PEDs" guys from the 80s had access to would be a joke compared to what's available now.

Like comparing a mobile phone form the 80s to what you can get these days.

But watching Tim Duncan's resurgent season makes me want to legalize PEDs for any stars above the age of 35.


I doubt td is on the PEDs. Hes shrunk, hes changed his game.

I think he just adapted. If he rocked up at 280lb this season then yes, but he looks a lot frailer than previous years, its just his ability to adapt. TD is a wizard
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Post#78 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:26 pm by DFolks

Stupid threads on this topic pop up all the time and it's the same ignorant comments every time. Sure, there are probably a few guys in the NBA, but in no way is it an epidemic.

and LOL at posting pics of ripped rare genetic freaks and thinking it helps prove their delusional points.
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Post#79 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:26 pm by StocktonShorts

You name a sport and there's a banned substance that will increase your ability to perform in that sport.

Anyone arguing that PEDs won't help a basketball player is extremely ignorant.

It all comes down to risk analysis by the players. If it's cheap, easy and there's very little risk of getting caught or doing long-term damage, then why wouldn't they be using? Are NBA players so different from every other sport in the world where doping is fairly common?

My guess is that in-season they're using stimulants and testosterone patches (for recovery).
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Post#80 Re: Doping/enhancement drugs in the NBA?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:33 pm by Hendrix

StocktonShorts wrote:Anyone arguing that PEDs won't help a basketball player is extremely ignorant.



My guess is that in-season they're using stimulants and testosterone patches (for recovery).


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