RealGM

teamgrizz wrote:A lottery pick?

Its going to be hard for Cleveland to come out of this with a lottery pick. It's protected very well.

The pick Memphis sends to Cleveland is protected 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015 and 2016; 1-5 protected in 2017 and 2018; unprotected in 2019.

Either the Cavs will get a lottery pick in 2015 or 2016 (6-14) or they will get a pick in the 6-30 range in 2017 or 2018. If that doesn't happen, they get whatever their pick is in 2019.

Calling it a lottery pick was a stretch. That was wrong of me. But there's certainly potential for it to happen there.

miltk wrote:wow. cle has traded 6 first rounders since 2010. they're the anti-okc.

They have?

I'd be surprised if this is the best cost-cutting deal MEM could get.

as a cavs fan im really happy for this trade we get a 1st round pick for a player we picked last offseason through waiver and we get 3 players in return thats amazing.

No Offense wrote:

teamgrizz wrote:A lottery pick?

Its going to be hard for Cleveland to come out of this with a lottery pick. It's protected very well.

The pick Memphis sends to Cleveland is protected 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015 and 2016; 1-5 protected in 2017 and 2018; unprotected in 2019.

Either the Cavs will get a lottery pick in 2015 or 2016 (6-14) or they will get a pick in the 6-30 range in 2017 or 2018. If that doesn't happen, they get whatever their pick is in 2019.

Calling it a lottery pick was a stretch. That was wrong of me. But there's certainly potential for it to happen there.

I think the odds of them getting a lottery pick is much higher than them not getting a lottery pick.

So a nice injection of young talent, and a probable Lottery pick for jon Leuer.

as an added bonus it looks like Delonte is going to get another chance in the league.

Amazing

Grizz sign Chris Johnson and west.

I've read that they will sign D.West and Bill Walker. That's a pretty backup players over here

Well Cleveland imo has no excuses now they got5 exactly what they needed in a Big and a sg. They shouldnt be as bad as they are. I think they can try to make a run to pull .500 and grab the 8th seed. Its a stretch but Speights can step in for Varejao and Ellington and Selby should be able to provide scoring. They seriously have the shortest roster and need to start incorporating their bigs.

Yea, I think Cleveland did come out well in the deal. They really didn't lose much. I don't think you guys would like Speights, though. He gave his best effort here because Lionel Hollins demanded it. I'm not sure if he will return back to his old 76ers self or what in Cleveland.

Selby still has a lot of potential and he just needs a chance. Not to mention, you guys did get the pick. Ellington provides more shooting for your squad.

You actually think that this deal was supposed to propel the Cavs into the playoffs? It strengthens their bench, but that's about it.

dolphinatik wrote:Well Cleveland imo has no excuses now they got5 exactly what they needed in a Big and a sg. They shouldnt be as bad as they are. I think they can try to make a run to pull .500 and grab the 8th seed. Its a stretch but Speights can step in for Varejao and Ellington and Selby should be able to provide scoring. They seriously have the shortest roster and need to start incorporating their bigs.

what? these guys are hardly game changers.
they're still gonna be really bad.

dolphinatik wrote:Well Cleveland imo has no excuses now they got5 exactly what they needed in a Big and a sg. They shouldnt be as bad as they are. I think they can try to make a run to pull .500 and grab the 8th seed. Its a stretch but Speights can step in for Varejao and Ellington and Selby should be able to provide scoring. They seriously have the shortest roster and need to start incorporating their bigs.

Not sure if serious, they should be like the best team in the league for the 2nd half of the season to get close to .500.
They got Marreese Speights and Wayne Ellington, not Bill Watlon and Reggie Miller.

The playoffs? Well that's a huge reach. They will need to win 75% of their remaining games to be in the consideration for making the playoffs, which is impossible for them..

teamgrizz wrote:Yea, I think Cleveland did come out well in the deal. They really didn't lose much. I don't think you guys would like Speights, though. He gave his best effort here because Lionel Hollins demanded it. I'm not sure if he will return back to his old 76ers self or what in Cleveland.

Selby still has a lot of potential and he just needs a chance. Not to mention, you guys did get the pick. Ellington provides more shooting for your squad.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. The Cavs are a bad team with or without backup big man Marresse Speights.

C'mon..the Cavs aren't making the playoffs. Even with a healthy Varejao they weren't making the playoffs.

I'm guessing Speights will play well since this is a contract year for him similar to Hickson in Portland.

Ellington gives them some depth on the wing. They were giving Shaun Livingston backup minutes at SG fwiw.

I don't see how Selby gets much run behind Kyrie and Dion.

The future pick is just another asset for the Cavs. They need to hit their draft picks or package them for a young stud to pair with Kyrie. The Cavs and Washington are 2 teams that need to start putting talent around their stud PG's and start winning.

dolphinatik wrote:Well Cleveland imo has no excuses now they got5 exactly what they needed in a Big and a sg. They shouldnt be as bad as they are. I think they can try to make a run to pull .500 and grab the 8th seed. Its a stretch but Speights can step in for Varejao and Ellington and Selby should be able to provide scoring. They seriously have the shortest roster and need to start incorporating their bigs.

They would have to finish the season 31-9 to finish .500

I hope this means that Selby will finally get some playing time. I'm interested in seeing what he can do. He seemed to address a need in the Memphis (shooting) and he still couldn't find his way into the rotation.

This trade doesn't keep Memphis under the tax next season so they will still have to make a cap clearing move, they just delayed it a bit.

mg wrote:C'mon..the Cavs aren't making the playoffs. Even with a healthy Varejao they weren't making the playoffs.

I'm guessing Speights will play well since this is a contract year for him similar to Hickson in Portland.

Ellington gives them some depth on the wing. They were giving Shaun Livingston backup minutes at SG fwiw.

I don't see how Selby gets much run behind Kyrie and Dion.

The future pick is just another asset for the Cavs. They need to hit their draft picks or package them for a young stud to pair with Kyrie. The Cavs and Washington are 2 teams that need to start putting talent around their stud PG's and start winning.

This.

Collecting draft picks doesn't matter though if you keep drafting the likes of Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters and Tyler Zeller.

SoulClap wrote:I hope this means that Selby will finally get some playing time. I'm interested in seeing what he can do. He seemed to address a need in the Memphis (shooting) and he still couldn't find his way into the rotation.

He could never stay in front of his man, and Hollins benches players quickly if they can't matchup on the defensive end.