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Post#1 What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:13 am by SoulInTheHole7

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Post#2 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:30 am by MellowRose

Derrick Rose? I haven't seen him play much, but I do know his athleticism is nowhere near Rose's, but he can work on that.
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Post#3 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:35 am by lukekarts

I think, realistically, he can be Chauncey Billups. He's not quite as good at drawing fouls yet, but that will come with time and respect from refs. He does have a 'big shot' tendancy, is a good shooter - from all areas of the court - and has a great feel for the game for a rookie. He's not a good defender, yet, but that can be worked on. As a scoring threat he has tools to be slightly better than Billups though.

That would seem to project him as a top 5 PG for his career.
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Post#4 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:36 am by fishnc

Ceiling: Chauncey Billups
Floor: Damon Stoudamire
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Post#5 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:39 am by branny

Billups is a pretty good ceiling
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Post#6 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:40 am by MellowRose

Does he not enough athleticism to become the next Rose?
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Post#7 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:49 am by noobcake

MellowRose wrote:Does he not enough athleticism to become the next Rose?


He is not freak athletic, but being good is not all about being a freak. Rose actually has a lot of skills. Rose and Westbrook are both 70% athleticism, 30% skill point guards. Irving relies on 80% skill, 20% athleticism. He doesn't have the skill to make up his non-elite athleticism.

Lillard is really really old; he is in fact older than Irving by 2 years. His skill and body has both matured to probably 70-80% levels/
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Post#8 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:50 am by Doddage

More athletic Deron Williams
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Post#9 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:53 am by SoulInTheHole7

MellowRose wrote:Derrick Rose? I haven't seen him play much, but I do know his athleticism is nowhere near Rose's, but he can work on that.


You can't work on athleticism. You either have it, or you don't.

Lillard isn't without athleticism. But no, he isn't the athletic freak that Rose and Westbrook are.
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Post#10 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:54 am by mj23foreva

Doddage wrote:Better shooting Russell Westbrook


He doesnt have nearly the explosiveness as Westbrook. His ceiling as someone else said is Chauncey Billups, their games are extremely similar right now.
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Post#11 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:01 pm by lukekarts

MellowRose wrote:Does he not enough athleticism to become the next Rose?


No. Although he does have the same 'take over' mentality shown in Rose, but Lillard gets his points through step back jumpshots or working off screens for 3 pointers - he's not an aggressive drive to the basket kind of player. Don't get me wrong, he can still dunk pretty effectively, but he's not as good in traffic.
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Post#12 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:04 pm by MellowRose

SoulInTheHole7 wrote:
MellowRose wrote:Derrick Rose? I haven't seen him play much, but I do know his athleticism is nowhere near Rose's, but he can work on that.


You can't work on athleticism. You either have it, or you don't.

Lillard isn't without athleticism. But no, he isn't the athletic freak that Rose and Westbrook are.


So when athletes work out in the gym, they're doing what exactly?
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Post#13 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:34 pm by SunsReadyToRoll

Number wise his ceiling could be 24/6/3
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Post#14 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:39 pm by StatLine

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Post#15 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:42 pm by SunsReadyToRoll

StatLine wrote:TMNT


Kids nowadays using urban words that many cant understand the meaning. TMNT? trying to find the meaning of that on google and only thing I can find is " teenage mutant ninja turtles".
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Post#16 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:51 pm by MVP Rose

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Post#17 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:02 pm by BadWolf

Billups was a top end defender, while lillard is very bad at that end of th ball. Billups was a much better shooter. He was never a really prolific scorer, while Lillard is as score first as they come.
I don't really see the similarities there.
Maybe a poor mans Arenas?
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Post#18 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:09 pm by mj234eva

DragicTime85 wrote:
StatLine wrote:TMNT


Kids nowadays using urban words that many cant understand the meaning. TMNT? trying to find the meaning of that on google and only thing I can find is " teenage mutant ninja turtles".


He's saying Westbrook :lol:
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Post#19 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:25 pm by fishnc

BadWolf wrote:Billups was a top end defender, while lillard is very bad at that end of th ball. Billups was a much better shooter. He was never a really prolific scorer, while Lillard is as score first as they come.
I don't really see the similarities there.
Maybe a poor mans Arenas?


Are you serious? Look at Billups and Arenas at Lillard's age. And he's in his first year in the league.
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Post#20 Re: What's Lillard's ceiling?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:28 pm by KingAmmar

DragicTime85 wrote:
StatLine wrote:TMNT


Kids nowadays using urban words that many cant understand the meaning. TMNT? trying to find the meaning of that on google and only thing I can find is " teenage mutant ninja turtles".



I thought of Ninja Turtles too when i saw TMNT.

LOL WTF
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