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Post#46 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:50 am by BigLurch92

I would feel soo bad for people from Seattle if somehow the Kings did end up staying in Sacramento. Probably worse then i would for Kings fans if they moved.
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Post#47 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:57 am by tyguy

BigLurch92 wrote:I would feel soo bad for people from Seattle if somehow the Kings did end up staying in Sacramento. Probably worse then i would for Kings fans if they moved.
They will eventually get a team. In the meantime they have the Mariners and the Seahawks to keep them happy. Sac has the rivercats and sac state. Must really suck to be a Seattle sports fan...
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Post#48 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:58 am by Mr_Perfect

The Seattle group will lavish the Maloofs with the kind of cash they need.

The Maloofs made the move that got them the most money. If any other suitor could surpass the monetary value they received from Hansen then they'll gladly take it.

At the end of the day it's up to them and not Stern in regards to who they want to sell to. Stern can rant and rave but all the Seattle group needs is an approval from the Board of Governors, which is likely.
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Post#49 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:12 am by Gilles

PRESTIGE wrote:Has a franchise on the verge of moving in recent history ever, I mean ever, ended up staying? The Grizzlies, Hornets, Sonics, and Nets made some noise but all ended up eventually leaving. Plus Stern is not impartial in this, he actually wants the Kings to move to Seattle. I think they're gone.
Would you supply a quote from Stern on that? So far Stern only official quote is that the deal is not done and KJ will present his counter-offer to BOG.
People on both sides spin the incoming information their way and there's still 3 months before "The decision" :D
Everybody needs some patience.
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Post#50 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:26 am by Durant 35

Matched it? They would only have 19 million.
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Post#51 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:37 am by ADoaN17

Looks like Burkle/Mastrov are in.
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/23/513402 ... loses.html

One more big name investor would definitely help.
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Post#52 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:24 am by SacKingZZZ

Purely local investment in that 19 million. The big bombs about to drop if the rumors of a GROUP of billionaires teaming up to keep the team in Sac is true, watch out!

Don't doubt KJ, just don't do it. 8-)
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Post#53 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:04 am by No Offense

This situation is ugly. You have 2 fan bases that have their hopes up and only one will get the team.
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Post#54 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:07 am by Froob

I thought the seattle group already bought it lol? Wasn't it offical? I do hope the kings stay in sac town.
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Post#55 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:32 am by boogie-reke

PRESTIGE wrote:Has a franchise on the verge of moving in recent history ever, I mean ever, ended up staying? The Grizzlies, Hornets, Sonics, and Nets made some noise but all ended up eventually leaving. Plus Stern is not impartial in this, he actually wants the Kings to move to Seattle. I think they're gone.


Has a franchise in a city that's more then willing to spend tax-payers money (over 200 mil) on a new arena led by their own mayor, has a rabid fanbase who sold out 19 out of the 28 years it's there (including 2 of the 5 longest sellout streaks in NBA history in a top 20 media market where the NBA is the only pro sports team there, who (will likely) come up with a competitive offer to buy the franchise just to keep it there, with a new arena, ever ended up moving, ever?

Scratch the Sacramento based parts too and just leave it at - has a city who showed willingness to build a brand new arena for its team and spend substantial taxpayers money on it, ever ended up losing its team?

Taxpayers and cities helping fund arenas is a golden goose for Stern and the NBA(around 3 billion dollar up to date iirc since the 90s).
Will he turn his back that and set a new precedent for mayors and other cities that will make them think 10 times before ever giving the NBA taxpayers money to fund said arenas in the future - if Sacramento indeed manages to put a competitive offer on the table to buy the team, on top of an arena plan which they already have?
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Post#56 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:57 am by Wolfay



If you don't feel like watching the video, here's the numbers-

1985-86 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 48%, Kings 100%
1986-87 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 50%, Kings 100%
1987-88 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 69%, Kings 100%
1988-89 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 74%, Kings 100%
1989-90 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 70%, Kings 100%
1990-91 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 71%, Kings 100%
1991-92 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 82%, Kings 100%
1992-93 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 89%, Kings 100%
1993-94 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 85%, Kings 100%
1994-95 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 90%, Kings 100%
1995-96 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 100%
1996-97 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 100%
1997-98 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 85%
1998-99 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 96%
1999-00 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 87%, Kings 100%
2000-01 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 91%, Kings 100%
2001-02 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 90%, Kings 100%
2002-03 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 91%, Kings 100%
2003-04 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 89%, Kings 100%
2004-05 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 96%, Kings 100%
2005-06 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 94%, Kings 100%
2006-07 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 93%, Kings 100%
2007-08 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 79%, Kings 81%

This is no doubt something Major Kevin Johnson will bring up at the BOG meeting. The numbers are even more impressive considering that Arco Arena II has a higher capacity than the Key Arena, Sacramento is smaller city than Seattle, and how bad the Kings have through most of those years.
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Post#57 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:22 pm by deNIEd

Wolfay wrote:


Let's also look at records of both cities at the time

1985-86 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 48%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 37 - 45 (7th)
Seattle Record - 31 - 51 (11th)

1986-87 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 50%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 29 - 53 (10th)
Seattle Record - 39-43 (7th)

1987-88 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 69%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 24-58 (10th)
Seattle Record - 44-38 (7th)

1988-89 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 74%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 27-55 (10th)
Seattle Record - 47-35 (4th)

1989-90 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 70%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 23-59 (12th)
Seattle Record - 41-41 (9th)

1990-91 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 71%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 25-57 (13th)
Seattle Record - 41-41 (8th)

1991-92 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 82%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 29-53 (10th)
Seattle Record - 47-35 (6th)

1992-93 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 89%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 25-57 (11th)
Seattle Record - 55-27 (3rd)

1993-94 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 85%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 28-54 (10th)
Seattle Record - 63-19 (1st)

1994-95 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 90%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 39-43 (9th)
Seattle Record - 57-25 (4th)

1995-96 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 39-43 (8th)
Seattle Record - 64-18 (1st)

1996-97 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 34-48 (9th)
Seattle Record - 57-25 (2nd)

1997-98 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 85%
Sacramento Record - 27-55 (9th)
Seattle Record - 61-21 (2nd)

1998-99 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 100%, Kings 96%
Sacramento Record - 27-23 (7th)
Seattle Record - 25-25 (9th)

1999-00 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 87%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 44-38 (8th)
Seattle Record - 45-37 (7th)

2000-01 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 91%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 55-27 (3rd)
Seattle Record - 44-38 (10th)

2001-02 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 90%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 61-21 (1st)
Seattle Record - 45-37 (7th)

2002-03 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 91%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 59-23 (2nd)
Seattle Record - 40-42 (10th)

2003-04 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 89%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 55-27 (4th)
Seattle Record - 37-45 (12th)

2004-05 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 96%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 50-32 (6th)
Seattle Record - 52-30 (3rd)

2005-06 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 94%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 44-38 (8th)
Seattle Record - 35-47 (11th)

2006-07 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 93%, Kings 100%
Sacramento Record - 33-49 (11th)
Seattle Record - 31-51 (14th)

2007-08 Percentage of Seats Sold: Sonics 79%, Kings 81%
Sacramento Record - 38-44 (11th)
Seattle Record - 20-62 (15th)


So in the 23 seasons both cities had a franchise
Sacramento had 19 Seasons that sold a higher percentage than Seattle
Seattle had 2 Seasons that sold a higher percentage than Sacramento

Sacramento had 9 Playoff Appearances
Seattle had 14 Playoff Appearances

Sacramento had 9 Seasons with a better record than Seattle
Seattle had 14 Seasons with a better record than Sacramento
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Post#58 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:38 pm by tfmiii

impressive display of numbers, but I don't think they sway Stern

he will be looking at TV $$ not arena attendance

Seattle is a bigger TV market (12th), also has regional clout

whereas Sacto, while the 20th market, lacks regional clout due to relative proximity to bay area

TV is where the $$$ is, i would guess merchandising would also tilt in seatle's favor as well

sadly NBA is a corporate league, not a fan base league

how does that explain OKC? I dunno, perhaps due to regional presence (OK, No Tx, Ks)?

Memphis, NO, Cha??? all i can think is that these are regions where NBA sees future econ/pop growth, and already existing college bball fan base.

perhaps someone on this board may have some more insight, this is the best I can figure off the top of my head
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Post#59 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:17 pm by deNIEd

tfmiii wrote:impressive display of numbers, but I don't think they sway Stern

he will be looking at TV $$ not arena attendance

Seattle is a bigger TV market (12th), also has regional clout

whereas Sacto, while the 20th market, lacks regional clout due to relative proximity to bay area

TV is where the $$$ is, i would guess merchandising would also tilt in seatle's favor as well

sadly NBA is a corporate league, not a fan base league

how does that explain OKC? I dunno, perhaps due to regional presence (OK, No Tx, Ks)?

Memphis, NO, Cha??? all i can think is that these are regions where NBA sees future econ/pop growth, and already existing college bball fan base.

perhaps someone on this board may have some more insight, this is the best I can figure off the top of my head


I'm sure KJ/Sacramento will present studies showing the actual differences in market sizes for sports between Seattle and Sacramento.

Why Seattle is larger (Sacramento is 20th I believe), the actual difference should be a lot smaller (if any) simply as Seattle has the MLB and NFL to compete with, as well as a premiere collegiate athletic program. Sacramento has absolutely nothing in terms of competition. It's the NBA and that's about it...no other major professional sports and local collegiate sports are not at an elite level by any means.
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Post#60 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:31 pm by RunSunRun

Can't say I'm not biased due to being a huge KJ fan, but it looks to me that Sacramento is lining things up with their own group of investors and what not. To me it looks like this 19-person announcement was to show that local business owners are invested in the Kings, the city of Sacramento, and the community. Showing the NBA how important the Kings are in the area.

I just feel this is setting a terrible precedence for the league if they allow owners to move even if the city has an arena deal in place. It will give owners the power to not only hold cities hostage to build new arenas, but now will allow other cities to bid against each other to offer the most lucrative deal that will inevitably screw over local tax payers.
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Post#61 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:34 pm by Respect My Mind

Never Wrong wrote:Sacramento too poor :cry:



:lol:

I know its so funny. They need to accept their poverty and move on. LMAO 19 freaking owners.
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Post#62 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:35 pm by NYK_89

deNIEd wrote:
tfmiii wrote:impressive display of numbers, but I don't think they sway Stern

he will be looking at TV $$ not arena attendance

Seattle is a bigger TV market (12th), also has regional clout

whereas Sacto, while the 20th market, lacks regional clout due to relative proximity to bay area

TV is where the $$$ is, i would guess merchandising would also tilt in seatle's favor as well

sadly NBA is a corporate league, not a fan base league

how does that explain OKC? I dunno, perhaps due to regional presence (OK, No Tx, Ks)?

Memphis, NO, Cha??? all i can think is that these are regions where NBA sees future econ/pop growth, and already existing college bball fan base.

perhaps someone on this board may have some more insight, this is the best I can figure off the top of my head


I'm sure KJ/Sacramento will present studies showing the actual differences in market sizes for sports between Seattle and Sacramento.

Why Seattle is larger (Sacramento is 20th I believe), the actual difference should be a lot smaller (if any) simply as Seattle has the MLB and NFL to compete with, as well as a premiere collegiate athletic program. Sacramento has absolutely nothing in terms of competition. It's the NBA and that's about it...no other major professional sports and local collegiate sports are not at an elite level by any means.


San Fran is a hour and a halfs drive away lets face it there is a reason that SAC only has one pro sports and is almost guranteed to lose it as well... Just because the team had support when they were one of the best few in the NBA does not make it a viable city, this isn't even OKC where at least it is the only pro sports team for a good 500 miles, im sure half the people in the area identify as fans of another cali sports team anyways.
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Post#63 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:42 pm by CrymeTime

If the King relocate, I wonder if the NBA would consider a 2 team expansion, sort of like when Charlotte was promised an expansion team after losing the hornets.

Sacramento and Vancouver should get a second chance.
Also, the West is insanely strong. So if you moved 1 team to the East, and added 2 expansion teams, you can balance out the conferences abit.

Western Conference
NorthWest Division
Seattle
Vancouver (expansion)
Portland
Utah

California Division
Sacramento (expansion)
Golden State
LA Clippers
LA Lakers

SouthWest Division
San Antonio
Houston
Dallas
Phoenix

Needs a name
Denver
Oklahoma City
New Orleans
Memphis/Minnesota

Eastern Conference
Central Division
Chicago
Milwaukee
Minnesota/Memphis
Indiana

Needs a Name
Toronto
Detroit
Cleveland
Washington

North East Division
New York
Brooklyn
Philadelphia
Boston

South East Division
Atlanta
Charlotte
Orlando
Miami

VS Division: 4 games x 3 teams = 12 games
VS rest of Conference: 3 games x 12 teams = 36 games (alternate every year who gets 1 home, 2 road game)
VS other Conference: 2 games x 16 teams = 32 games

Total of 80 games per season

Division winners are guaranteed a playoff spot, but not top 4.
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Post#64 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:52 pm by Frank Mulely

expansion is just creating more helpless teams with no chance of competing.

here's my plan: make teams play 1/3 of their home schedule in another city. GSW can play in Vancouver, Thunder in Kansas City, Sonikings play 1/3 of their schedule in Sacto, etc. fans in 2nd/3rd tier cities get to see honest to goodness NBA action right in their hometown. win.
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Post#65 Re: KJ keeping the Kings in Sacramento
Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:01 pm by DusterBuster

Frank Mulely wrote:expansion is just creating more helpless teams with no chance of competing..


Exactly. Expansion of the league is a bad bad BAD idea. The talent in this league is stretched too thin as it is. The NBA needs contraction, not expansion.
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