Teams without "the man" are better on offense.

[Sinant]

^^

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/ ... /avgPoints
3rd and 4th in ppg are Spurs and Nuggets.

That's nice?

Doesn't take away the fact that the top four teams by total offensive rating are led by Durant, Paul, LeBron and Carmelo.

[hamek]

Watch a bulls game that isn't against the Lakers defense, then you won't be saying it. They're not as good offensively without rose, and statistics show this. (look at the Bulls FG% this year compared with last year and 2011).

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I could also argue that Clippers don't have a "the man" as none of their players average over 18ppg and they have 8 players averaging 7 ppg or better.

Same thing for golden state, they have 5 guys in double figures.

[Sinant]

I could also argue that Clippers don't have a "the man" as none of their players average over 18ppg and they have 8 players averaging 7 ppg or better.

Sure, if you ignore the fact that if you take CP3 away from that team they'd fall apart. You could certainly argue it under those conditions.

[Clyde Frazier]

I could also argue that Clippers don't have a "the man" as none of their players average over 18ppg and they have 8 players averaging 7 ppg or better.

They're very deep, but they also have the best PG in basketball, who can get any shot he wants and get to any spot he wants on the floor. You're attempting to suggest that doesn't make a difference, which is ludicrous.

Starting to wonder if you're trolling or something.

[Notas A3]

Watch the Sixers, the we argue.

[MrBigShot]

I could also argue that Clippers don't have a "the man" as none of their players average over 18ppg and they have 8 players averaging 7 ppg or better.

They're very deep, but they also have the best PG in basketball, who can get any shot he wants and get to any spot he wants on the floor. You're attempting to suggest that doesn't make a difference, which is ludicrous.

Starting to wonder if you're trolling or something.

Agreed. Shot attempts aren't the only way to measure whether or not a player is "the man" on their respective team. A better way to measure is how reliant that team is on that player. The Clippers are very reliant on CP3's ability as a floor general and playmaker.

[Baddy Chuck]

Is Houston better with Afflalo then Harden? Are those mid 2000s Lakers better with Afflalo then Kobe? Teams that have 2-3 good/great scorers are obviously going to be better then teams with 1 really great scorer but if you don't have those 2-3 guys you are much better with the top guy.

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Watch the Sixers, the we argue.

Sixers prove my point. They think Holiday is their "the man". instead of swinging the ball they expect him to create everything.

[hamek]

Spurs and Nuggets take the number 1 and number 2 amount of shots per game too,
Number 1 and 3 in opponent shot attempts.
They're numbers 3 and 4 in pace, they should be scoring a lot.

[Sinant]

So OP point gets repeatedly disproven, he ignores it, then harps on mediocre players who can't lead elite offenses.

No, Monta Ellis can't make you the #1 offense, but Durant can, Paul can, LeBron can. Those guys are "the man".

[Clocian]

So a lot of teams have a go to player that is supposed to create the offense for himself and take a lot of shots, but I've found teams made up of a bunch of good role players that move the ball until they get the best shot are better offensively than teams that have a "the man" who usually stops ball movement when he catches the ball and takes it upon himself to create an offensive possession instead of just swinging the ball. I think the Nuggets are a prime example of this, with Carmelo gone, they just swing the ball until someone gets a great look and takes it as opposed to giving the ball to Melo and allowing him to shoot tough shots. Weren't the Nuggets one of the top offensive teams last season? I also believe this is the case for the Bulls. I think their offense flows much better without their "the man", Derrick Rose. Bulls are just a bunch of good role players that keep swinging the ball until they get an open shot. What are your thoughts on this matter?

stop it.

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So OP point gets repeatedly disproven, he ignores it, then harps on mediocre players who can't lead elite offenses.

No, Monta Ellis can't make you the #1 offense, but Durant can, Paul can, LeBron can. Those guys are "the man".

This is where you are wrong. how many times were Paul's Hornets an offensive juggernaut? Never, but when he moved to a team with good role players like the Clippers and they started swinging the ball, it became a top offense. Same can be said about Lebron's Cavs.

[Optms]

Duncan led the Spurs to 4 championships. Are you arguing that the Spurs are better now because they move the ball more and don't have a real focal point on offense?

Go look at the amount of points those teams scored and compare it to the amount of points the Spurs score now.

Yeah, they've become a better more efficient offensive team. But this style of play won't benefit them in the playoffs when the game typically slows down and the defenses tighten.

Having an efficient offense doesn't make a team better in the long run if they don't have that one player that can change the outcome of a series in a 7 game format.

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Duncan led the Spurs to 4 championships. Are you arguing that the Spurs are better now because they move the ball more and don't have a real focal point on offense?

Go look at the amount of points those teams scored and compare it to the amount of points the Spurs score now.

Yeah, they've become a better more efficient offensive team. But this style of play won't benefit them in the playoffs when the game typically slows down and the defenses tighten.

Having an efficient offense doesn't make a team better in the long run if they don't have that one player that can change the outcome of a series in a 7 game format.

Agreed, but that is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that solid players that swing the ball on every possession and get great shots will score more points than a team like the Bulls with Rose controlling the ball the majority of the game.