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Post#346 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:24 pm by TheOUTLAW

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TheBigThree wrote:Beal with a good 25 point, 4 rebound, 1 assist performance in an otherwise unwatchable game for the Wizards.


With the way Beal is playing he should finish in the top 3 in ROY voting, probably number 2.



I still don't see him having passed Waiters eventhough everyone seems to think that he's crap. Beal is putting up fewer ppg and fewer apg in more minutes on worse shooting from the field (beal has better 3 pt shooting and more rebounds).
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Post#347 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:08 pm by Blkbrd671

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Scout Taron wrote:http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

Case study finds that Jonas V is one of the worst interior defenders in the NBA.

I'm going to take any study that has Bargnani as 2nd best in any kind of defense, with a huge grain of salt.



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Post#348 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:09 pm by Blkbrd671

Brapman wrote:That was a great dunk by MKG - that kid is a big time athlete. Unfortunately, he has about the most broken shot I've ever seen. I don't see how that shot is fixable - it's an awful hitch.

Unless he completely deconstructs his shot and starts over, we're talking about a glorified role player in this league - a not as good version of Michael Cooper.



i think he'll eventually become as good of a shooter as iggy. Good but not great. My concern with MKG would be his health, the way he plays, he's bound to come down wrong.
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Post#349 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:40 am by willbcocks

TheOUTLAW wrote:
TheKingOfVa360 wrote:
TheBigThree wrote:Beal with a good 25 point, 4 rebound, 1 assist performance in an otherwise unwatchable game for the Wizards.


With the way Beal is playing he should finish in the top 3 in ROY voting, probably number 2.



I still don't see him having passed Waiters eventhough everyone seems to think that he's crap. Beal is putting up fewer ppg and fewer apg in more minutes on worse shooting from the field (beal has better 3 pt shooting and more rebounds).


Waiters has had a solid rookie year, and his stats have mirrored Beal's for the most part. Two things for me put Beal's performance over Waiters' this year. One is that Beal has played fantastic in January and February. Waiters has played well in those months as well, but Beal's best prolonged stretch has been better than Waiters' best prolonged stretch. (The flip side of that is that Beal played slightly worse than Waiters earlier in the season.) The other advantage I give Beal over Waiters is defense. But this is a slight advantage at best.

In the long run, I would say that Beal has a third thing going for him, age, as he's 1.5 years younger than Waiters. But that shouldn't factor into ROY voting.
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Post#350 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:00 am by SaiCLE

Dion is shooting 40% and averaging 14.2 Points per game. Over his last 5, he's shooting 57.4% and averaging 13.2 Points per game just by attacking the rim( he Is a fcking tank). He has Improved dramatically finishing around the rim and shot selection. He barley shoot three pointers anymore though averaging 1.5 3 point attempts, also the awesome thing Is he doesn't jack up long two's anymore. He Is a really good on ball defender (sometimes he over helps on D though), and a very underrated ball distributor. The Cavs really need more national games.
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Post#351 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:48 am by TwentyOne920

Nando de Colo: 9 points (3-5 FG, 2-3 3P, 1-2 FT), 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 turnover in 19:59 of PT.

I'll take it.
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Post#352 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:55 am by GhostsOfGil

TheOUTLAW wrote:
TheKingOfVa360 wrote:
TheBigThree wrote:Beal with a good 25 point, 4 rebound, 1 assist performance in an otherwise unwatchable game for the Wizards.


With the way Beal is playing he should finish in the top 3 in ROY voting, probably number 2.



I still don't see him having passed Waiters eventhough everyone seems to think that he's crap. Beal is putting up fewer ppg and fewer apg in more minutes on worse shooting from the field (beal has better 3 pt shooting and more rebounds).

Who thinks Waiters is crap? I think the only reason people prefer Beal is because he scores within the flow of the game. He doesn't need plays run for him, he doesn't isolate, if his shot isn't there, he keeps the ball moving. You will rarely, if ever, see Beal take a "bad shot".
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Post#353 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:18 pm by TheOUTLAW

Oh yeah, Waiters will on occasion take some bad shots, but he's cut way back on that since the beginning of the season. What I do like is that he's way more of a playmaker than I'd thought. We still need some folks who can finish to make that more obvious though. He also has the ability to get where he wants on the floor (not as well as Kyrie, but that'd be a lot to ask).
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Post#354 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:02 pm by mcfly1204

I feel that both Waiters and Beal will be have very nice careers, but I think Waiters ability to create for himself and others gives him the edge over Beal in a head to head comparison. Shooting is something that can be improved if you put in the effort, but rarely do you see players develop an ability to get to the rim the way Waiters already can.
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Post#355 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:40 pm by GhostsOfGil

mcfly1204 wrote:I feel that both Waiters and Beal will be have very nice careers, but I think Waiters ability to create for himself and others gives him the edge over Beal in a head to head comparison. Shooting is something that can be improved if you put in the effort, but rarely do you see players develop an ability to get to the rim the way Waiters already can.


Its funny, I actually think Waiter's ability to create for himself is his biggest enemy. I think a guy like Beal who can score without having to isolate makes him much more valuable unless the guy is ridiculously efficient (harden, curry, durant).

I will say that Dion is way better than Beal at getting into the lane and is indeed doing a better job finishing. But I heavily value a guy like Beal who can play within a system, give you 20 points while not effecting the teams offensive flow.

If Waiter's was scoring at a much more efficient rate, I would be much more impressed. Even though Beal struggled early on, he didn't dominate the ball so his efficiency wasn't hurting his team as much.

Can you imagine Beal next to Kyrie? :o That backcourt would be ridiculous and way better than Wall/Beal or Kyrie/Waiters
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Post#356 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:30 pm by mcfly1204

GhostsOfGil wrote:If Waiter's was scoring at a much more efficient rate, I would be much more impressed. Even though Beal struggled early on, he didn't dominate the ball so his efficiency wasn't hurting his team as much.

You mean like going from shooting 34% in December, to 42% in January, and then up to 52% in February? Don't get me wrong, I like Beal quite a bit, but when the Playoffs role around and defenses tighten up, I like the thought of having another guy who can get into the lane at will more than a guy that can play within the flow of the offense.
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Post#357 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:38 pm by TheOUTLAW

Waiters does need to improve his 3 pointer. He's got a ways to go from there but it looks like he has the stroke to be a very good 3 pt shooter.

Oh and yeah Beal and Kyrie would be a great backcourt, that's why the Cavs wanted him.
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Post#358 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:56 pm by orangeparka

That's why they drafted him no? To find that #2 ball-handler/scorer type next to Kyrie?
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Post#359 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:58 pm by TheOUTLAW

That kind of implies that Waiters was the Cavs guy all along. I don't believe that to be true. I'm pretty sure they'd have taken Beal had he been there.
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Post#360 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:43 pm by NikolaPekovic

Alexey Shved > Beal, Waiters
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Post#361 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:00 pm by SaiCLE

Both Beal & Waiters will have good careers, there should be no who is better contests at all, they are two completely different Shooting Guards that have different roles within their respected teams.
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Post#362 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:02 pm by SaiCLE

NikolaPekovic wrote:Alexey Shved > Beal, Waiters

Keep trying.
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Post#363 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:20 pm by Shem

Portland Trail Blazers rookie point guard Damian Lillard continues to take the league by storm and now he's well on his way to taking his game global.

CSNNW.com has learned that the three-time NBA Rookie of the Month and NBA Skills Challenge champion is on the verge of being invited to participate in the USA Men's Basketball National Team mini camp.

“Damian is definitely on our radar,” Director of USA Basketball Jerry Colangelo told CSNNW.com. “He's one of the bright young stars we have in this game and certainly his chances are very high that he makes our list.”


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http://www.csnnw.com/blog/blazers-talk/ ... amp-invite
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Post#364 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:37 pm by TheOUTLAW

NikolaPekovic wrote:Alexey Shved > Beal, Waiters


You are kidding right?
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Post#365 Re: The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt
Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:18 pm by DCsOwn

mcfly1204 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:If Waiter's was scoring at a much more efficient rate, I would be much more impressed. Even though Beal struggled early on, he didn't dominate the ball so his efficiency wasn't hurting his team as much.

You mean like going from shooting 34% in December, to 42% in January, and then up to 52% in February? Don't get me wrong, I like Beal quite a bit, but when the Playoffs role around and defenses tighten up, I like the thought of having another guy who can get into the lane at will more than a guy that can play within the flow of the offense.


Beal is doing a much better job of putting the ball on the floor and getting to his preferred spots recently. Tonight he had 17/12/4, and he showed his step through game, got to the line etc.

I think when it's all said and done he's going to be a guy that can score off screens, spot ups, step throughs and he can drive close outs all the way to the rim and he's a very athletic kid that can finish in the lane with floaters and the occasional dunk/difficult lay up. He's also a very complete and efficient player that plays a very cerebral game, and I think he'll be an all star in two years.
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