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Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:20 pm
by kakaman
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Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:24 pm
by 420
Haven't really checked, but do people still have Durant as a candidate? LBJ has won both head to head matchups in convincing fashion (including overcoming the officiating in both matchups).

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:26 pm
by PCProductions
420 wrote:Haven't really checked, but do people still have Durant as a candidate? LBJ has won both head to head matchups in convincing fashion (including overcoming the officiating in both matchups).

It ain't over 'til it's over. Despite these past 2 weeks, Durant was a heavy favorite given the team record and voter fatigue. Anything can happen in these last 30 odd games, but Lebron is the current favorite.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:27 pm
by JayClips92
No love for CP3?

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:32 pm
by kakaman
JayClips92 wrote:No love for CP3?


Missed too many games. In a race this close, even minor things like games played will be taken into account.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:32 pm
by Bluewaterheaven
Why isn't Josh Smith being considered? He is clearly the only reason the Hawks aren't dead last in the league. Horrible, Horrible team with out J-Smooooooooooth.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:33 pm
by Colbinii
JayClips92 wrote:No love for CP3?

Its hard to win MVP when you are going up against 2 of the best players ever, both of which are in their prime or entering their prime.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:38 pm
by The4thHorseman
If it was called "offensive MVP" then Durant would get the nod right now. But we all know that what's done on the defensive end is taken into consideration. That's why it's James right now and it's no that close.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:38 pm
by MrHidden
JayClips92 wrote:No love for CP3?


no "kevin" love for cp3
lebron and durant is in their own league :wink:

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:46 pm
by Rotanimod
Bluewaterheaven wrote:Why isn't Josh Smith being considered? He is clearly the only reason the Hawks aren't dead last in the league. Horrible, Horrible team with out J-Smooooooooooth.


Because nobody watches/likes the Hawks

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:53 pm
by Woodsanity
The4thHorseman wrote:If it was called "offensive MVP" then Durant would get the nod right now. But we all know that what's done on the defensive end is taken into consideration. That's why it's James right now and it's no that close.

So offense doesn't include playmaking now?

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:56 pm
by Antrim
Woodsanity wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:If it was called "offensive MVP" then Durant would get the nod right now. But we all know that what's done on the defensive end is taken into consideration. That's why it's James right now and it's no that close.

So offense doesn't include playmaking now?


No sir, nobody cares about playmaking. Being a -slightly- better jumpshooter and worse in every other single offensive skill makes you a better offensive player. Didn't ya know that?

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:57 pm
by kingkirk
Bluewaterheaven wrote:Why isn't Josh Smith being considered? He is clearly the only reason the Hawks aren't dead last in the league. Horrible, Horrible team with out J-Smooooooooooth.


Really?

He isn't even top 10.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:58 pm
by arifgokcen
The4thHorseman wrote:If it was called "offensive MVP" then Durant would get the nod right now. But we all know that what's done on the defensive end is taken into consideration. That's why it's James right now and it's no that close.

No he wouldnt.Lebron would still be the MVP.

Offense is not just scoring and lebron is doing that just as good.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:02 pm
by Bluewaterheaven
Dude, ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you were trying to be funny, but please, no more.

You will be warned next time.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:06 pm
by The4thHorseman
Woodsanity wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:If it was called "offensive MVP" then Durant would get the nod right now. But we all know that what's done on the defensive end is taken into consideration. That's why it's James right now and it's no that close.

So offense doesn't include playmaking now?

Yeah, you do have a point. Not sure how much "playmaking' criteria factors in with the voters.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:15 pm
by NYK_89
PCProductions wrote:
420 wrote:Haven't really checked, but do people still have Durant as a candidate? LBJ has won both head to head matchups in convincing fashion (including overcoming the officiating in both matchups).

It ain't over 'til it's over. Despite these past 2 weeks, Durant was a heavy favorite given the team record and voter fatigue. Anything can happen in these last 30 odd games, but Lebron is the current favorite.

Duant was not a heavy favorite by any means most media types were 50/50 on it and their minds are pretty much made up now.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:17 pm
by NYK_89
The4thHorseman wrote:If it was called "offensive MVP" then Durant would get the nod right now. But we all know that what's done on the defensive end is taken into consideration. That's why it's James right now and it's no that close.

It would be a travesty is Durant won "Offensive MVP" over Lebron.. Lebron is doing the same scoing at similar efficiency and is one of the best playmakers in the game

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:06 am
by cb4_89
Durant is more efficient at scoring the ball than Lebron. Durant is not the better offensive player than Lebron. You take defense into account, and it is a bit of a joke. Though MVP voters don't take defense into account really. That is why Durant even has a chance if he blows up or Lebron struggles a bit.

Re: Race to MVP IV

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:20 am
by kamelion4291
cb4_89 wrote:Durant is more efficient at scoring the ball than Lebron. Durant is not the better offensive player than Lebron. You take defense into account, and it is a bit of a joke. Though MVP voters don't take defense into account really. That is why Durant even has a chance if he blows up or Lebron struggles a bit.

He's more efficient at scoring the ball purely on the amount of free throws he gets. LeBron has a sizeable lead in eFG% which takes the subjective element of referees out of the equation.