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Post#166 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:32 pm by PCProductions

NaturalThunder wrote:Yeah, that Kenny Smith...what a moron. I mean it's not like Durant has clearly become the second best player in the league or anything. Durant is absurdly good right now. Only thing keeping him from being the best player in the NBA is because LeBron isn't human. And yes, I know, it was silly to think in 2010 Durant was going to catch LeBron by 2013 considering LeBron's age in 2010 and unbelievably good he was at the time. But Durant is averaging 29-8-5 on 52/42/91 and 66% TS an 57% eFG; and he's on the team with the second best record in the league. It's starting to look like he's going to have one of the best non-MVP seasons of all-time.

Third best. Just sayin.
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Post#167 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:41 pm by TheKiteDesigner

I think with the performance TP put on national tv yesterday was good enough to put him in the 3rd spot along with CP3. There's no way he leap frogged Durant let alone LeBron.

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Post#168 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:45 pm by NaturalThunder

PCProductions wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:Yeah, that Kenny Smith...what a moron. I mean it's not like Durant has clearly become the second best player in the league or anything. Durant is absurdly good right now. Only thing keeping him from being the best player in the NBA is because LeBron isn't human. And yes, I know, it was silly to think in 2010 Durant was going to catch LeBron by 2013 considering LeBron's age in 2010 and unbelievably good he was at the time. But Durant is averaging 29-8-5 on 52/42/91 and 66% TS an 57% eFG; and he's on the team with the second best record in the league. It's starting to look like he's going to have one of the best non-MVP seasons of all-time.

Third best. Just sayin.

Right, and who is the other player that's better than Durant?
GetItDone wrote:Durant continues to be the most overrated player in basketball.
Once again disappears in the 4th. On paper it looks like he played good, but he wasn't anything great. When defenses get tighter Durant gets exposed. He can't do much besides shoot jumpers.
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Post#169 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:48 pm by Antrim

NaturalThunder wrote:
PCProductions wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:Yeah, that Kenny Smith...what a moron. I mean it's not like Durant has clearly become the second best player in the league or anything. Durant is absurdly good right now. Only thing keeping him from being the best player in the NBA is because LeBron isn't human. And yes, I know, it was silly to think in 2010 Durant was going to catch LeBron by 2013 considering LeBron's age in 2010 and unbelievably good he was at the time. But Durant is averaging 29-8-5 on 52/42/91 and 66% TS an 57% eFG; and he's on the team with the second best record in the league. It's starting to look like he's going to have one of the best non-MVP seasons of all-time.

Third best. Just sayin.

Right, and who is the other player that's better than Durant?


Third best record, he said.
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Post#170 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:02 pm by NaturalThunder

My bad, the bolded part didn't stand out and I missed it.
GetItDone wrote:Durant continues to be the most overrated player in basketball.
Once again disappears in the 4th. On paper it looks like he played good, but he wasn't anything great. When defenses get tighter Durant gets exposed. He can't do much besides shoot jumpers.
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Post#171 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:10 pm by SweetTouch

Props for NaturalThunder for at least staying around, the other normal OKC posters have been laying low

IMO Parker needs 6-8 games ahead LBJ to get it, and some people from San Antonio need to begin talking about him playing with his soul and his heart of a lion.
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Post#172 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:16 pm by kamelion4291

SweetTouch wrote:Props for NaturalThunder for at least staying around, the other normal OKC posters have been laying low

IMO Parker needs 6-8 games ahead LBJ to get it, and some people from San Antonio need to begin talking about him playing with his soul and his heart of a lion.

Yeah, haha. Where is 28reloaded and his advanced stats rampage now when people were telling him LeBron was coasting?
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Post#173 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:23 pm by NaturalThunder

SweetTouch wrote:Props for NaturalThunder for at least staying around, the other normal OKC posters have been laying low

IMO Parker needs 6-8 games ahead LBJ to get it, and some people from San Antonio need to begin talking about him playing with his soul and his heart of a lion.

I'm not going to just ignore Durant's season because of what LeBron is doing. At the same time, I'm not going to embarrass myself by trying to say he's more deserving of MVP than LeBron.

Besides, I feel like people should be reminded from time to time of how good of a season Durant is having. :D
GetItDone wrote:Durant continues to be the most overrated player in basketball.
Once again disappears in the 4th. On paper it looks like he played good, but he wasn't anything great. When defenses get tighter Durant gets exposed. He can't do much besides shoot jumpers.
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Post#174 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:45 pm by PCProductions

NaturalThunder wrote:
SweetTouch wrote:Props for NaturalThunder for at least staying around, the other normal OKC posters have been laying low

IMO Parker needs 6-8 games ahead LBJ to get it, and some people from San Antonio need to begin talking about him playing with his soul and his heart of a lion.

I'm not going to just ignore Durant's season because of what LeBron is doing. At the same time, I'm not going to embarrass myself by trying to say he's more deserving of MVP than LeBron.

Besides, I feel like people should be reminded from time to time of how good of a season Durant is having. :D

This is all very true. It kinda feels disrespectful to Kevin Durant to simply say he is "slipping" when the mountaintop he was standing on was uncharted territory practically. If he doesn't go 30 PPG on 65 TS% every night, that's considering "disappointing". Amazing the standard of excellence that we hold him and Lebron to, isn't it?
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Post#175 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:46 pm by PCProductions

kamelion4291 wrote:
SweetTouch wrote:Props for NaturalThunder for at least staying around, the other normal OKC posters have been laying low

IMO Parker needs 6-8 games ahead LBJ to get it, and some people from San Antonio need to begin talking about him playing with his soul and his heart of a lion.

Yeah, haha. Where is 28reloaded and his advanced stats rampage now when people were telling him LeBron was coasting?

My goodness that guy was the biggest homer I've seen on this site. He lived and breathed Kevin Durant advanced stats.
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Post#176 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:50 pm by fallacy

I don't know why this thread needs to exist, do people need to argue about third place?


Lebron is going to win the award by a landslide, and should receive every first place vote

Durant is going to finish second for the third time already in his career

3rd place is the only real thing in question
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Post#177 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:54 pm by PurpleRooster

fallacy wrote:I don't know why this thread needs to exist, do people need to argue about third place?


Lebron is going to win the award by a landslide, and should receive every first place vote

Durant is going to finish second for the third time already in his career

3rd place is the only real thing in question


I heard they are making a patch for this on the all-star warm-ups next season.
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Post#178 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:13 pm by fallacy

PurpleRooster wrote:
fallacy wrote:I don't know why this thread needs to exist, do people need to argue about third place?


Lebron is going to win the award by a landslide, and should receive every first place vote

Durant is going to finish second for the third time already in his career

3rd place is the only real thing in question


I heard they are making a patch for this on the all-star warm-ups next season.


Durant could fill up his entire all-star jersey with those by 2023 :lol:
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Post#179 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:31 pm by TARIQ

Tony parker should be MVP! it's like when jason kidd could never win the mvp as good as he was there was tim duncan shaq etc same thing happening to Parker lebron durant paul. However, Parker just playing at an elite level.
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Post#180 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:49 pm by kamelion4291

TARIQ wrote:Tony parker should be MVP! it's like when jason kidd could never win the mvp as good as he was there was tim duncan shaq etc same thing happening to Parker lebron durant paul. However, Parker just playing at an elite level.

Trolling? If Parker is playing at an elite level, then what is LeBron playing at? Parker is literally only 0.33 PER higher than the next best player on his own team. He's not a huge scorer, he doesn't rebound, and he's one of the worst defenders on the team. How could you possibly try and make a legitimate argument for him as MVP unless you're actually Tony Parker in which it's the only way this post makes sense.
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Post#181 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:19 pm by GreenHat

JordansBulls wrote:
GreenHat wrote:And if we just count allstars the '94 Bulls were better than the '93 Bulls with Jordan. The '94 Bulls had "the most allstars" that season in comparison to their champion seasons. So that was clearly their best team right?

With all the information available can we please stop using intellectually lazy and superficial ways of judging teams?

I don't even necessarily disagree with your conclusion but your reasoning is just so nonsensical and inconsistent.

There is a difference between 3 franchise players and guys who have made 7, 8, 9 allstar games and someone who gets in based on a team record and the only time they are in it.


Congrats you are finally willing to look a little deeper than your usual lazy analysis (e.g. losses with home court, winning a franchises first title, counting the number of allstars)

So now since you were able to look into a situation deeper when it involves your idol can you not do the same when it comes to someone you have admitted to being a hater to?

Just as there are differences there, there are other differences in supporting cast other than just number of allstar appearances. Sure the second and third best player are good on the Heat but their skill sets overlap with the best player and then the 4th-10th players are much worse than other elite teams. Additionally they are not elite defenders and rebounders which is the best way to complement a dominant perimeter player.

Lebron should have been the consensus MVP much sooner than it was finally conceded. One of the main arguments against him both this year and when he lost to Rose was supporting cast. Again if we look beyond the number of all star appearances its not that strong of a cast compared to elite teams today and definitely not of the past. Of course you think they would win 55 games without Lebron so its clear that you are just counting all star appearances.
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Post#182 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:28 pm by INKtastic

TARIQ wrote:Tony parker should be MVP! it's like when jason kidd could never win the mvp as good as he was there was tim duncan shaq etc same thing happening to Parker lebron durant paul. However, Parker just playing at an elite level.


Here's what you posted in the parker thread that was locked

Tony parker's last 15 games: 25.3ppg 55 FG%+ 9.3apg

So I looked this up

LeBron's last 15 games: 30.2 ppg, .620 FG%, .455 from 3, 8.3 rebounds, 7.1 assists

If parker is elite, what do you call what LeBron is doing?
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Post#183 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:38 pm by Alize

INKtastic wrote:
TARIQ wrote:Tony parker should be MVP! it's like when jason kidd could never win the mvp as good as he was there was tim duncan shaq etc same thing happening to Parker lebron durant paul. However, Parker just playing at an elite level.


Here's what you posted in the parker thread that was locked

Tony parker's last 15 games: 25.3ppg 55 FG%+ 9.3apg

So I looked this up

LeBron's last 15 games: 30.2 ppg, .620 FG%, .455 from 3, 8.3 rebounds, 7.1 assists

If parker is elite, what do you call what LeBron is doing?


FG% is so unreal... :o
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Post#184 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:42 pm by popologist

fallacy wrote:I don't know why this thread needs to exist, do people need to argue about third place?


Lebron is going to win the award by a landslide, and should receive every first place vote

Durant is going to finish second for the third time already in his career

3rd place is the only real thing in question


Except Durant fell to 3rd on nba dot com.

Also one argument one could make for Parker is the strength of competition, PG vs SF, east vs west. Anyway Parker won't win it and certainly won't campaign for it and won't even play the minutes he'd need to play to have even an outside shot really...
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Post#185 Re: Race to MVP IV
Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:58 pm by UDRIH14

parker does have an argument with t he way the spurs have played so far this season, remember they did play 3 weeks without the SF kl/jax rotation out injured knee and hand, and still manage to win games by slotting in the role players on the bench who are 1 dimensional but fulfill their roles...

parker this season has outplayed all the elite pgs this season h2h, so i dont see how he is a knock to be shove under the bus...

he needs to play out of his mind for the rest of the season to even have a sniff, but a upset for runners up or even winning it is not out of the question...
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