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bball34 wrote:The loyalty BS is getting really annoying.

You're annoyed because you didn't get the replies you expected.
Well, at least for the most part

What did the Jazz get for Stockton when he retired?

What did the Bulls get when Jordan retired in 97-98?

Certainly, the Pacers could of gotten something for Reggie's expiring deal.

They key is that some players like the idea of only playing in 1 or 2 cities for their careers, and they probably like the idea of attaching their legacy to a franchise. The fact that Ainge would even consider trading a guy who wants to retire a Celtic (outside of Pierce...when was the last time that happened lately)? I personally would of been pissed if KG was traded for Bledsoe and Jordan's awful contract. Not every player is a mercenary gunning for rings. And the clear plan is obviosuly to make one last run next year. Sully and Rondo will be back. Jeff Green will be more improved. The team is just a rebounder away from making noise. You just can't put a price on how Loyal KG has been to the C's, and he deserves more respect than to be included in all these trade talks.

Just because Ainge is a wheeler and dealer doesn't mean that all C's fans share that sentiment. Those two guys deserve to retire witht he C's (if that's what they want), and rebuilding can always happen later. Think about Hakeem's legacy had he not spent that one middling year in Toronto? The Rockets got a pick from Toronto who tehy used to draft Nachbar, who they eventually used to trade for David Wesley who left after a year? I wonder if the Rockets organization really thinks that that one draft pick was worth not keeping Hakeem a Rocket for his entire career, which is such a rarity in sports these days.

Kg is one of the most loyal players in league history. Hopefully we can make it to the playoffs.

bball34 wrote:

Steve Bulpett
Moot now, but as to whether KG would've waived his no-trade, CPaul and Chauncey couldn't convince him. Clips were still conflicted.

Ray Allen must laugh at him.
Not by any chance could he get another title with the Celtics.

After reading all of your posts I have come to 2 conclusions.

1. You get off on baiting the Celtic fanbase
2. You know what Ray Allen tastes like

The Clippers completely blew this. Their ineptitude was astounding.

Scenario #1: (which looks fairly close to what happened). CP3 calls KG and says, "There is some conflict here and the front office hasn't made formal trade offer, but if you want to come here I can make it happen."

Scenario #2: CP3 calls KG and says, "Everyone in the Clippers organization wants you here and so do I. We're going to make a formal trade offer and if the Celtics agree, our owner and GM want to reach out to you."

Someone in the Clippers front office didn't want to do the deal and it was torpedoed. A proud guy like KG would never waive his no trade under those circumstances, and the Clips front office should have informed CP3 that the deal was rejected instead of hanging him out to dry.

No wonder that CP3 is now saying that he isn't sure if he wants to sign with LA long term.

StojkoVrankovic wrote:

bball34 wrote:

Steve Bulpett
Moot now, but as to whether KG would've waived his no-trade, CPaul and Chauncey couldn't convince him. Clips were still conflicted.

Ray Allen must laugh at him.
Not by any chance could he get another title with the Celtics.

After reading all of your posts I have come to 2 conclusions.

1. You get off on baiting the Celtic fanbase
2. You know what Ray Allen tastes like

Yup, an obvious troll.

Curmudgeon wrote:The Clippers completely blew this. Their ineptitude was astounding.

Scenario #1: (which looks fairly close to what happened). CP3 calls KG and says, "There is some conflict here and the front office hasn't made formal trade offer, but if you want to come here I can make it happen."

Scenario #2: CP3 calls KG and says, "Everyone in the Clippers organization wants you here and so do I. We're going to make a formal trade offer and if the Celtics agree, our owner and GM want to reach out to you."

Someone in the Clippers front office didn't want to do the deal and it was torpedoed. A proud guy like KG would never waive his no trade under those circumstances, and the Clips front office should have informed CP3 that the deal was rejected instead of hanging him out to dry.

No wonder that CP3 is now saying that he isn't sure if he wants to sign with LA long term.

How did the clippers blow this.....KG didnt waive his clause, it had nothing to do with the clippers messing up. Try reading the whole thread before posting.

The fact that KG was the HS-to-pro player that brought the flood of HS draft entries to the NBA, the fact that his contract brought upon lockout and max contract, the fact that he was an MVP and the fact that his game/versatility was quite unique for his size, his legacy is so much better than Ray Allen.

And very few people will remember Ray Allen ring if he wins this year, just as I remember Gary Payton on the 95-96 Sonics and Mitch Richmond on the horrible Kings team.

KG can't play for coach Del Negro. He would be screaming out his name on and off the court in many different ways and Del Negro would suspend him.

Props to KG. Never liked the guy but have to respect him for turning down that ring chasing crap.

GoLakersKB24 wrote:

Curmudgeon wrote:The Clippers completely blew this. Their ineptitude was astounding.

Scenario #1: (which looks fairly close to what happened). CP3 calls KG and says, "There is some conflict here and the front office hasn't made formal trade offer, but if you want to come here I can make it happen."

Scenario #2: CP3 calls KG and says, "Everyone in the Clippers organization wants you here and so do I. We're going to make a formal trade offer and if the Celtics agree, our owner and GM want to reach out to you."

Someone in the Clippers front office didn't want to do the deal and it was torpedoed. A proud guy like KG would never waive his no trade under those circumstances, and the Clips front office should have informed CP3 that the deal was rejected instead of hanging him out to dry.

No wonder that CP3 is now saying that he isn't sure if he wants to sign with LA long term.

How did the clippers blow this.....KG didnt waive his clause, it had nothing to do with the clippers messing up. Try reading the whole thread before posting.

The Clippers blew it by being ambivalent, and by letting that ambivalence become public. No way that KG was going to waive his no trade to go to a team where someone in the front office didn't want him.

The Clips needed to fish or cut bait. If they didn't want to do the deal, fine, that's their perogative. Say no and move on.

But don't waffle and have your star player out there making futile phone calls.

Not gonna badmouth KG for this, and I don't like him as a player. I think it's respectable to stick with a team to the end. I would've been crushed if Marino ever went to another team to try to get a ring. I feel bad he never won here, but I appreciate his loyalty. KG graduated high school when I did, so he's a little old school. He probably fondly remembers sports before free agency. Lots of fans have no idea what life was like before free agency and cable television's expansion into sports. It used to be the norm to see guys serve out long terms with one team, and you were usually only limited to watching the popular teams, because the small teams rarely got time on network tv.

KG came into the league during the growth of free agency, so he probably identifies more with the old ways of team loyalty. Props to the dude. He may never win another ring, but you should never fault a guy for swearing allegiance to a team. That's actually one of the most noble things in sports, and it's nice to still see some guys honor that in this day and age. Free agency really changed the face of this sport. Players are like mercenaries now. I got no problem with that, but I respect loyalty. PEACE.

He didn't even want to be traded when he was surrounded with crap in Minnesota. That's just KG.

The celtics showed their loyalty to KG, and vice versa, by giving him a no trade clause.
KG is as loyal as any player in the league. He didn't want to leave Minny when it was a wasteland around him. Ainge had to do his job and listen to offers, but KG was never going anywhere.

irie wrote:KG has always been a very loyal guy and didn't want to play anywhere else. Not really a surprise.

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after watching how KG and Pierce interact with their teammates during games, i think they should retire with the Celtics...i can see how KG and Pierce are so loyal....very genuine.

KG didnt want to get embarrassed by Duncan in the playoffs I understand.....Clippers will still underchieved in the playoffs..........And how is it loyalty when the team KG's on trying to get rid of his ass. Certainly if they didnt that no trade clause KG would've already been gone.

^ Because hes loyal to his team mates and the fans.... Pretty easy to understand really. Bait post is bait.

really??? Do the fans really want to keep KG and not get DeAndre and Bledsoe.....I dont think so.....Loyalty getting mistaken for selfishness

TONY_YAYO wrote:KG didnt want to get embarrassed by Duncan in the playoffs I understand.....Clippers will still underchieved in the playoffs..........And how is it loyalty when the team KG's on trying to get rid of his ass. Certainly if they didnt that no trade clause KG would've already been gone.

Yeah, so selfish of him to stay loyal to the fans and his teammates all while not trying to move his family and kids out of school to the other side of the country just to get a legit chance at another championship. Can't get anymore selfish than that, huh?