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Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Harden?

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Post#16 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:02 pm by day1086

James harden is the most overrated player in the NBA.

Shoots garbage from anywhere except the rim, stats hugely inflated by freethrow attempts, when he drives to the rim he reaches his arm out with the intent of having his arm be hit and flails in attempt to get a call rather than protecting the ball in his pocket and trying to actually score. He's bad from mid range, mediocre from 3, at rim stats inflated by fouls, and highly turnover prone. His raw stats are also largely inflated by pace.

I hate everything about his play style.

no thx.

the only thing that would make me like him is that his driving style would be a perfect match for curry. I would never want him as a first option on a contending team though.
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Post#17 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:04 pm by Jazza2319

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KrazySixersD wrote:only those who dont know bball wondered if harden would succeed as a number 1 option... he had every tool... size, athletic, shooting ability, able to finish with contact and get to the line, handles...

dude was poised to break out... if this is true, yet another example of a team's ownership caring more about money than winning... which is truly sad and pathetic


The only reason people questioned his ability to be a number 1 option was because he played like crap in the finals, and most people assumed he was getting his numbers against other team's benches without looking at the advanced stats

If this trade were the case, then GSW certainly missed out on possibly being a Western Conference Champion contender next year and going forward. You still would have had Curry, Lee, Bogut and Harden. Unless the trade involved swapping Perkins with Bogut as well, i'm not sure how they could've passed up that trade


Considering OKC kept Perkins in the HOU deal, I think it's very plausible the deal was Klay Thompson/Harrison Barnes/draft picks.


That's what i thought at first but i wasn't sure about trading rookies

Warrior fans, would you have done Harden & Perkins for Bogut & Thompson? It's a pretty interesting idea, the Warriors are one of the few teams that have the shooting on the floor to minimize Perkins offensive weaknesses
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Post#18 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:07 pm by KrazySixersD

lol at the guy saying harden is overated ^ lolol

it probly woulda been klay, barnes, and a pick
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Post#19 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:11 pm by whatchaknow

Typical people overreacting. Nobody even knows the specifics of the trade "proposal" but its safe to say that Klay for Harden straight up was not gonna be the whole trade. I love how people just think Bill Simmons knows what hes talking about, which gms did he talk to get the info on these trades? He does this all the time just watch him before the trade deadline hes constantly offering up these $**** trades saying "who says no?", like he is some great gm.

Look im not gonna act like i knew that Harden was going to be as good as he is but as a Blazer fan i was willing to give up virtually anything to get my hands on him. But every team is in a different situation and if your not 100% sold on a guy then its hard for gms to pull the trigger, especially when your trading very very good young prospects. The verdict is still out on Thompson and Beal but its safe to say they have shown enough to not make it look idiotic of their gms to not trade them.

I think we should praise Houston for seeing the potential of James and being willing to fork out what they did, instead of chastise these other teams for not giving up what other teams were also not willing to give up. If that makes sense :-? ??
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Post#20 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:14 pm by TexansFanatic

day1086 wrote:James harden is the most overrated player in the NBA.

Shoots garbage from anywhere except the rim, stats hugely inflated by freethrow attempts, when he drives to the rim he reaches his arm out with the intent of having his arm be hit and flails in attempt to get a call rather than protecting the ball in his pocket and trying to actually score. He's bad from mid range, mediocre from 3, at rim stats inflated by fouls, and highly turnover prone. His raw stats are also largely inflated by pace.

I hate everything about his play style.

no thx.

the only thing that would make me like him is that his driving style would be a perfect match for curry. I would never want him as a first option on a contending team though.


Yup... you're just a hater. Nothing you've said is accurate. Keep sipping the haterade.
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Post#21 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:19 pm by day1086

TexansFanatic wrote:Yup... you're just a hater. Nothing you've said is accurate. Keep sipping the haterade.


At the rim: 60.9%

In the paint: 34.5%

mid-range: 37.3%

corner 3: 37.5%

beyond the break 3: 35.9%

what did i say that was wrong?
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Post#22 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:24 pm by Goldtop

day1086 wrote:James harden is the most overrated player in the NBA.

Shoots garbage from anywhere except the rim, stats hugely inflated by freethrow attempts, when he drives to the rim he reaches his arm out with the intent of having his arm be hit and flails in attempt to get a call rather than protecting the ball in his pocket and trying to actually score. He's bad from mid range, mediocre from 3, at rim stats inflated by fouls, and highly turnover prone. His raw stats are also largely inflated by pace.

I hate everything about his play style.

no thx.

the only thing that would make me like him is that his driving style would be a perfect match for curry. I would never want him as a first option on a contending team though.


I agree with everything said here, and I'll also add that he plays no defense. You can't be a franchise player if you play no defense. Sorry to the Harden lovers, but its true. But I'm not surprised by the casual fan reaction to him because thats how its always been in the NBA. If you put up big offensive numbers, thats all fanboys care about, and defense is not required by most fans to be considered a star, franchise player, etc, even though in reality its absolutely required if you ever want to win a championship.
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Post#23 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:24 pm by gordito

day1086 wrote:
TexansFanatic wrote:Yup... you're just a hater. Nothing you've said is accurate. Keep sipping the haterade.


At the rim: 60.9%

In the paint: 34.5%

mid-range: 37.3%

corner 3: 37.5%

beyond the break 3: 35.9%

what did i say that was wrong?


I'm confused. Why is this a bad thing again? Do Free Throws no longer count as points?
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Post#24 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:26 pm by kasino

He wasn't a franchise guy before the trade so it's not like the could have known, there's even a thread asking if he's a superstar we knew above average but nobody expected this
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Post#25 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:27 pm by BScoreez

KrazySixersD wrote:lol at the guy saying harden is overated ^ lolol

it probly woulda been klay, barnes, and a pick


The Warriors don't have a pick to offer in a trade. They can't trade a 1st until Utah gets theirs. The trade was likely built around Klay and Barnes. It's possible that the Warriors wanted to do the trade, but the Thunder just liked the offer from the Rockets better.

A trade built around Klay and Barnes vs. a trade built around KMart, Lamb, and 2 first round picks one being Toronto's.
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Post#26 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:28 pm by Frank Mulely

I never miss an opportunity to blast GSW front office :lol: but....I don't really believe this one. We didn't have a high 1st rounder to offer. Honestly if they could have gotten Harden, even b combining Klay + Barnes, I think they would have. Houston just had more/better assets: Lamb (rookie with potential), K-Mart (vet on expiring who could fill in well for Harden), Toronto 1st rounder. How was GSW going to top that deal?

Bottom line I think GSW package was probably second choice for OKC.
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Post#27 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:29 pm by Frank Mulely

KrazySixersD wrote:lol at the guy saying harden is overated ^ lolol

it probly woulda been klay, barnes, and a pick


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Post#28 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:29 pm by PetroNet

is that a mistake? klay thompson is younger and on his rookie contract. im not sure its a slam dunk move to trade that for harden on a max deal.
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Post#29 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:32 pm by Frank Mulely

PetroNet wrote:is that a mistake? klay thompson is younger and on his rookie contract. im not sure its a slam dunk move to trade that for harden on a max deal.


The point of having cap space is to acquire players who can help you contend....add Harden to GSW roster and we'd be one rotation big away from contention (IMHO). He's EXACTLY what we need.
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Post#30 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:32 pm by KrazySixersD

yes its a mistake

and if there was no pick... then ya probably klay and barnes... which is a no brainer
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Post#31 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:32 pm by day1086

gordito wrote:
day1086 wrote:
TexansFanatic wrote:Yup... you're just a hater. Nothing you've said is accurate. Keep sipping the haterade.


At the rim: 60.9%

In the paint: 34.5%

mid-range: 37.3%

corner 3: 37.5%

beyond the break 3: 35.9%

what did i say that was wrong?


I'm confused. Why is this a bad thing again? Do Free Throws no longer count as points?


Lol in my idea of a good player playing to intentionally get to the line isn't something I value highly. His trademark move of intentionally holding the ball as far away from his body as possible is the most annoying and skill-less play I've ever seen. As a fan I'd like to see players try to play basketball, not refball.

Regardless maybe I'll use another thread for my opinion of Harden, I'll leave this one for discussion of this supposed trade.

To wrap up: I'm a golden state fan (and celtics) and would not want james harden as the best player on my team. Houston will never contend with Harden as their best player. How amazing of him to turn a .500 team from last year into a .500 team this year! Amazing!

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Yes. Genuine, new posters should be completely disregarded for having a differing opinion from you.
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Post#32 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:33 pm by Goldtop

gordito wrote:
day1086 wrote:
TexansFanatic wrote:Yup... you're just a hater. Nothing you've said is accurate. Keep sipping the haterade.


At the rim: 60.9%

In the paint: 34.5%

mid-range: 37.3%

corner 3: 37.5%

beyond the break 3: 35.9%

what did i say that was wrong?


I'm confused. Why is this a bad thing again? Do Free Throws no longer count as points?


They count as pts, but its a completely unreliable means of getting pts, and is no indicator whatsoever of a players ability. Some players just get a better whistle than others. Thats not a basketball skill that you can rely on. His game is too dependant on the refs. When the game is on the line deep in the playoffs, I don't want a guy who depends on the refs to produce. I'll take the guy who depends on his own basketball skills to win. Because you never know in the NBA when the refs are suddenly going to stop giving you calls. You already saw it happen to Harden in the Finals last year. Once the refs allowed MIA to get physical with him without calling every touch foul, he basically became useless.
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Post#33 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:34 pm by An Unbiased Fan

RealGM was laughing at MJ for trying to trade his lotto pick for Harden last year, but now everyone acts like they always knew Harden would blow up to this level.

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Post#34 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:39 pm by PetroNet

Frank Mulely wrote:
PetroNet wrote:is that a mistake? klay thompson is younger and on his rookie contract. im not sure its a slam dunk move to trade that for harden on a max deal.


The point of having cap space is to acquire players who can help you contend....add Harden to GSW roster and we'd be one rotation big away from contention (IMHO). He's EXACTLY what we need.


i disagree that you are contending with harden on the squad in place of thompson(and maybe barnes too). and how are you getting that big with harden making the max?
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Post#35 Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade
Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:40 pm by Br0ken_Sp0ke

This was already reported by Zach Lowe right after the Harden trade to Houston.

On top of the Warriors, the Jazz, Suns, Raptors, and Wizards also had the opportunity to trade for Harden, but ultimately they decided he wasn't worth it. Now they must all be kicking themselves for not topping Houston's package which now looks like a ginormous steal.

Morey should win Executive of the Year based on that masterstroke of a trade alone.
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