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Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:19 pm
by Sasaki
So, Cable, what matters to you offensively is a guy's ability to iso and hit the worst shot in basketball above all. Like say, a Rudy Gay, who has been good at that mid-range jumper, is more useful to you in a Finals situation than James Harden.
And let's take your Lebron example. Ignore the Lebron of 2012 or 2013 - Harden isn't anywhere near his level. But what about 2008 or 2009 Lebron? That Lebron isn't a great mid range jumper shooter either? I guess he lost against the Magic because the refs swallowed their whistles, huh? Take Tracy McGrady. The fact that he was a worse 3 point shooter, worse at finishing in contact, and worse overall scorer as a Rocket compared to Harden doesn't really matter because McGrady was marginally better at that shoot with a hand in your face than Harden.
Jesus Christ, what kind of analysis is this, ESPN?
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:35 pm
by gordito
PetroNet wrote:is that a mistake? klay thompson is younger and on his rookie contract. im not sure its a slam dunk move to trade that for harden on a max deal.
Thompson is all of 5 1/2 months younger than Harden.
In hindsight, even with the max contract, I think GSW does this trade. But with that said, A LOT of people questioned Harden's ability to be the "guy", especially after his Finals performance. So, I can kind of understand why GSW would decline trading away Thompson (and presumably Barnes) to give Harden max money. Don't agree with it, but could definitely understand.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:34 am
by Guy986
CablexDeadpool wrote:Bay Based wrote:
I don't know. It's not like Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes are studs, either. Even if Harden is overrated, I still could see him making an impact in Golden State.
I wouldn't do a Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes trade.
I mean, I guess that's what they would've wanted and that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much.
I would laugh and put the phone down.
I didn't even think Harrison Barnes would be that good considering seeing him in college he looked like trash because he couldn't dribble at all...like dude couldn't put the ball down and he didn't even look athletic.
But in the NBA will all the spacing, he looks pretty athletic and fluid now.
And Klay Thompson is pretty good, he can really shoot the ball, he can learn how to get to the line and flop his way to some easily points, he is a 25 a game scorer.
Then you would have to think...is it better to have James Harden and Curry and some crappy SF or you rather have Curry, Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes...and cap room in the future to get a David Lee replacement and a PF?
I rather have the cap room Curry Klay and Barnes.
Really you wouldn't do a Banes/Thompson for Harden trade NOW?
*face palm*
GSW fans ladies and Gentlemen. Would you do it for Anthony Randolph?
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:10 am
by Crackfool
Funny how people on this board nut-hug players like Carmelo, Kobe, Monta Ellis, and Jamal Crawford, and yet hate on Harden. These players actively kill their team due to their selfishness and their complete incompetence on defense. They'd be more beneficial to their teams if they actively tried to score on their own basket. I guess dumb Knick and Laker fans spread like cockroaches where ever the NBA is discussed.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:27 am
by Senchu
Guy986 wrote:CablexDeadpool wrote:I wouldn't do a Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes trade.
I mean, I guess that's what they would've wanted and that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much.
I would laugh and put the phone down.
I didn't even think Harrison Barnes would be that good considering seeing him in college he looked like trash because he couldn't dribble at all...like dude couldn't put the ball down and he didn't even look athletic.
But in the NBA will all the spacing, he looks pretty athletic and fluid now.
And Klay Thompson is pretty good, he can really shoot the ball, he can learn how to get to the line and flop his way to some easily points, he is a 25 a game scorer.
Then you would have to think...is it better to have James Harden and Curry and some crappy SF or you rather have Curry, Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes...and cap room in the future to get a David Lee replacement and a PF?
I rather have the cap room Curry Klay and Barnes.
Really you wouldn't do a Banes/Thompson for Harden trade NOW?
*face palm*
GSW fans ladies and Gentlemen. Would you do it for Anthony Randolph?
So you take SINGLE non-GSW fan's opinion of not trading Barnes/Thompson for Harden and then present it as WHOLE GSW fanbase' opinion? Excellent argument right there!
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:45 am
by LGND2552
Nobody knew harden would be THIS good. If they say they did, then they're lying.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:52 am
by ratul
turrible.
Anyone who didn't know harden would be good clearly slept through last season
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:55 am
by Young_Star11
Harden was offered to Washington too (and Phoenix too?).
Houston was just a great situation for him to land in and the Rockets had enough pieces to get him.
I'm not looking back.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:41 am
by CKRT
LGND2552 wrote:Nobody knew harden would be THIS good. If they say they did, then they're lying.
We've had a PC board thread for a year or two now discussing this exact thing.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:32 am
by garrick
Don't forget PHX also supposedly turned down a trade for Harden too because they either had to give up too many assets or they didn't want to be bogged down with Perkins contract.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:21 pm
by floppymoose
Wait, I'm supposed to believe this because Bill Simmons said so?
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:28 pm
by AussieBuck
Guy986 wrote:
Really you wouldn't do a Banes/Thompson for Harden trade NOW?
*face palm*
GSW fans ladies and Gentlemen. Would you do it for Anthony Randolph?
This was you a few months ago.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:58 pm
by Fobbie
GS front office would be naive to not do this trade now. Heck back then I would've done the same trade. Too many time team fall in love with rookie "potential" that they rather hold on than trade for an establish player. Anthony Freaken Magic Johnohn Randolph anyone??? LOL. I understand if people think Klay/Barnes was too much, but no need to call a player overrated because he gets to the line a lot.
Re: Did Golden State really turn down a trade for James Hard
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:07 pm
by old rem
whatchaknow wrote:Is it really that big of a mistake though?? I know Harden is better but he was due for a big pay raise and Klay is still on his rookie contract. Plus im sure there were other pieces going out. Also didnt GS have to basically give away two bench players to avoid the luxury? Im sure they would have had to follow up the Harden trade with other trades to get rid of valuable contributors to avoid the lux. Either way Hardens great but it was hard to see him becoming what he is now
All that. I'm not sure GSW ever was serious. GM's talk all the time, rumors fly,and the outcome can be anything.
Klay was coming off a nice rookie year,Harden had not had a "breakout" but had been looking good burt was a guy about to get the $...and,just how much? For sure..GSW would be in for more $. However...they then may have skipped Landry or Jack or both...in effect "losing those" and would it have been just Klay for Harden or Klay + ??
It's part of the GM code that you never discuss the deal that never happened. GSW would not want such a deal to fall through..then have Klay feeling he's trade bait. Sometimes...you get a lot of clues player X is going somewhere. It was no surprise when Melo and Dwight got traded...the questions were the details.