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Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:46 pm
by ComboGuardCity
This thread brings up another topic, when will the NBA shift to a "taller" game. Guys like Durant and Lebron already have the ball skills to bring the ball up the court and Lebron has the ability to actually play the PG position at an elite level. Then you have guys like Parsons, Charlie V, Ryan Anderson etc who all mainly play on the perimeter. In 15 years, can you see an NBA with a 6'8 PG, 6'10 SG, and a 7ft front court?
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:58 pm
by Antrim
ComboGuardCity wrote:This thread brings up another topic, when will the NBA shift to a "taller" game. Guys like Durant and Lebron already have the ball skills to bring the ball up the court and Lebron has the ability to actually play the PG position at an elite level. Then you have guys like Parsons, Charlie V, Ryan Anderson etc who all mainly play on the perimeter. In 15 years, can you see an NBA with a 6'8 PG, 6'10 SG, and a 7ft front court?
I'm sure people have been saying this since Magic was playing PG (30 years ago). Since then, the league has actually gotten smaller.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:05 pm
by TARIQ
DIRK! DIRK! DIRK!
Mehmet Okur was also a great shooting big man.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:27 pm
by HornetJail
kasino wrote:We've had plenty of shooting bigs, few have been stars, but what I would want more is physical bigs that can hit the three. Be able to guard the post and stretch the floor on the other end.
If Mullens gains any sort of consistency, there a chance he becomes what you're saying. The dude has legit range, real athleticism and length, and is pretty strong as well, he just hangs out on the perimeter, but he'll step inside now and then and do some work in the middle.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:33 pm
by kasino
I don't ever seeing it being a taller game, speed and quickness will forever run sports and if not playing in the post strength isn't as important..besides if all the bigs become shooters who are they shooting over? They loose their advantage
But if it does happen look out for a dominant post center and a rebounding guard..what the league has become and what it looks to be the 60's should get the credit any other era deserve
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:36 pm
by kasino
Biz Gilwalker wrote:kasino wrote:We've had plenty of shooting bigs, few have been stars, but what I would want more is physical bigs that can hit the three. Be able to guard the post and stretch the floor on the other end.
If Mullens gains any sort of consistency, there a chance he becomes what you're saying. The dude has legit range, real athleticism and length, and is pretty strong as well, he just hangs out on the perimeter, but he'll step inside now and then and do some work in the middle.
I really don't know much about him, Bobcats I believe? I do watch losing teams but there's no of interest for me to watch them...but I'll start for Mullens..hopefully he defends
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:43 pm
by BubbaTee
It's been around since the beginning of the league. Guys like Dolph Schayes and Bob Pettit were known for being big men who could shoot from outside.
Schayes was only 6-8, 200, but that was considered big in those days. He had this ridiculous rainbow set shot, the kind some geezer uses to score 20 on you at the gym because you're too busy laughing at his 8-year-old-girl shot to guard him.
Pettit used his outside shot to lure Bill Russell away from the rim. It helped the Hawks become the only team to ever beat a Bill Russell Celtics team.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:45 pm
by ComboGuardCity
Its not just the shooting. The guys now have the ball skills.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:46 pm
by HornetJail
kasino wrote:I really don't know much about him, Bobcats I believe? I do watch losing teams but there's no of interest for me to watch them...but I'll start for Mullens..hopefully he defends
Word of warning: he can do it all or do absolutely nothing on any given night. His shot is the most inconsistent part of his game right now, defense is a close second, but when he's locked in, he's a great shooter, and a much-improved defender with lots of potential.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:46 pm
by PetroNet
ComboGuardCity wrote:This thread brings up another topic, when will the NBA shift to a "taller" game. Guys like Durant and Lebron already have the ball skills to bring the ball up the court and Lebron has the ability to actually play the PG position at an elite level. Then you have guys like Parsons, Charlie V, Ryan Anderson etc who all mainly play on the perimeter. In 15 years, can you see an NBA with a 6'8 PG, 6'10 SG, and a 7ft front court?
no, i think the league will actually get smaller, with more 6'9" guys at center. the more and more teams go away from big defensive post presence bigs, the less of a need it is to have them on the floor at all. plus, the game really handcuffs bigmen in general
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:04 am
by Blast Tyrant
Valanciunas has close to 3 point range as a 20 year old rookie. Great free throw shooter too so the potential is there. He's known more for his inside presence on the glass and defensively so he sounds like what you're looking for.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:07 am
by ComboGuardCity
PetroNet wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:This thread brings up another topic, when will the NBA shift to a "taller" game. Guys like Durant and Lebron already have the ball skills to bring the ball up the court and Lebron has the ability to actually play the PG position at an elite level. Then you have guys like Parsons, Charlie V, Ryan Anderson etc who all mainly play on the perimeter. In 15 years, can you see an NBA with a 6'8 PG, 6'10 SG, and a 7ft front court?
no, i think the league will actually get smaller, with more 6'9" guys at center. the more and more teams go away from big defensive post presence bigs, the less of a need it is to have them on the floor at all. plus, the game really handcuffs bigmen in general
Interesting. Who knows maybe the game will evolve into a 5 on 5 all 6'8
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:24 am
by Catchall
Dan Issle and Bill Laimbeer.
Could Bill Walton shoot from range?
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:35 am
by tsherkin
Catchall wrote:Dan Issle and Bill Laimbeer.
Could Bill Walton shoot from range?
15-18 ish feet, sure. Wooden's ideal UCLA center.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:28 am
by Jake0890
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Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:26 am
by DieHardBallFan
EH15 wrote:DieHardBallFan wrote:Well Bosh lead the league in 15% corner jump shots last year. Including guards. Pretty sure hes up top this year as well. So I would put him up top with best shooting big men.
He's shooting 52.1% in mid range jumpers
He's practically leading the league in this area. No body shoots a higher percentage with at least 100 shots.
http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerShots. ... 0&pageNo=1
Says it all. For the record I meant 15foot not %.
The guy is so under appreciated for what he brings to the position and his size. So efficient.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:21 am
by sprint2thecup
kevin durant is not a big man. to me a big man is someone who always plays pf/c, and that's not kd. chris bosh is a shooting big man, that's what they look like.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:01 am
by branny
Jake0890 wrote:Diiiiiiiirrrrkkkkk
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:26 am
by Pimpwerx
I see certain names popping up in this thread repeatedly, but what about the Bosh love? Bosh is a better shooter and player than Dirk for the last two season. Realtalk. PEACE.
Re: Shooting Big Men
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:36 am
by acrossthecourt
ComboGuardCity wrote:PetroNet wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:This thread brings up another topic, when will the NBA shift to a "taller" game. Guys like Durant and Lebron already have the ball skills to bring the ball up the court and Lebron has the ability to actually play the PG position at an elite level. Then you have guys like Parsons, Charlie V, Ryan Anderson etc who all mainly play on the perimeter. In 15 years, can you see an NBA with a 6'8 PG, 6'10 SG, and a 7ft front court?
no, i think the league will actually get smaller, with more 6'9" guys at center. the more and more teams go away from big defensive post presence bigs, the less of a need it is to have them on the floor at all. plus, the game really handcuffs bigmen in general
Interesting. Who knows maybe the game will evolve into a 5 on 5 all 6'8
Oh don't believe him. The height has basically stayed constant. There have been lots of 6' 9" centers in the past.
In 2011, the top two midrange guys were Dirk and Al Horford (by percentage and with a minimum of 100 attempts.) Both were over 50 percent. Number three? Elton Brand. If you lower the limit to, say, 60 attempts, you'll add more guys like Bonner. Al Horford is also a very good midrange shooter, and few people know. One year he was over 50 percent.
The most surprising? 7' 7" Gheorghe Muresan hit 52% of his midrange shots in 1997 at 95 attempts.