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Post#41 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:36 am by DRose4MVP

James Harden will be next.
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Post#42 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:44 am by Huesos

BlackDog wrote:^^^^^

Didn't we have a thread about this a while ago? It's the defenses.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... nners-gone


Thanks for sharing. This seems like a sound explanation. It gives you a general sense of the game's recent evolution.
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Post#43 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:12 am by An Unbiased Fan

Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.
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Post#44 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:23 am by SoulInTheHole7

Harden will hit 50 eventually. Hell, who knows, could happen this season.

Kyrie will probably hit it at some point.

Had Rose never gotten injured, he had the potential to hit 50.

Hitting 50 is a big accomplishment, but it's when you hit 60 that it becomes pretty special.

There's been plenty mediocre/just good players over the years who have hit 50. Brandon Jennings went for 55 for God's sake, and Damon Stoudamire had a 54 point game once.

60 and above usually requires a special type of offensive player.

Who knows when the next time we'll see a 60 point game.

Durant would likely be the next one to go for 60, or Harden when he hits his peak. Melo is capable of a 60 point game as well.
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Post#45 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:27 am by bledredwine

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.


Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.
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Post#46 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:42 am by SoulInTheHole7

bledredwine wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.


Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.


We're not talking about doing it multiple times, just once.

Hitting 50 once is difficult, but not impossible. Jennings did it for Christ sake! Jennings!

I'd say Westbrook would probably have a 50 point game under his belt if he was on a team where he was the 1st option.

But you're right on the last part. It's rare that you see guys who are capable of going for 50+ multiple times!
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Post#47 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:48 am by bledredwine

To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement
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Post#48 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:51 am by bledredwine

SoulInTheHole7 wrote:
bledredwine wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.


Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.


We're not talking about doing it multiple times, just once.

Hitting 50 once is difficult, but not impossible. Jennings did it for Christ sake! Jennings!

I'd say Westbrook would probably have a 50 point game under his belt if he was on a team where he was the 1st option.

But you're right on the last part. It's rare that you see guys who are capable of going for 50+ multiple times!
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I hate to break it to the Durant fans, but I can never see KD having as many 50+ games as Kobe, let alone Michael.

Contrary to what the Durant homers may think, KD simply isn't as devestating an offensive force as peak/prime Kobe. And I don't think he ever will be.


ah gotcha.

Well in that case, many players CAN score 50 if they fluke extremely hard... but likely? Not at all.

Agreed, we have yet to see a scorer as talented/dominant as Kobe since his prime.
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Post#49 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:55 am by SoulInTheHole7

bledredwine wrote:To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement


Barkley dropped 56 on the Warriors in 94 playoffs. I'd count that for Chuck.
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Post#50 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:56 am by Masigond

Kobe hasn't scored 50 for three years (since dropping 61 on the Knicks on 02/02/2009). I don't think that he can do it anymore. He had about 20 games with 30+ FGAs since but lacks the great efficiency or foul drawing to get really high scoring numbers. And playing on a somewhat stacked Lakers team (at least in comparison to 2005 and 2006) doesn't make him take 40+ FGAs either.
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Post#51 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:57 am by Zubby

The 9 guys to do it:
Durant (twice)
Melo (twice)
LBJ
Deron Williams
Andre Miller
Kevin Love
Brandon Jennings




Dirk, Kobe, Vince, Monta, Kevin Martin all had 48 point games in that time span
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Post#52 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:58 am by bledredwine

btw link here http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=50pointsinagame


You'll notice there was plenty of 50 point scoring in the 60s as well as the 00s, when rules were easier defensively.
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Post#53 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:00 pm by bledredwine

SoulInTheHole7 wrote:
bledredwine wrote:To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement


Barkley dropped 56 on the Warriors in 94 playoffs. I'd count that for Chuck.


wow, why isn't that game listed, i remember that
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Post#54 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:01 pm by Darain

I think that post was for regular season only
crowd goes wild wrote:Joel Anthony. Dude could probably give you around 27 ppg if he wasn't playing along side Chris Bosh.

I'm not a Kobe fan
nhh90 wrote:Kobe hasn't been doubled in a game since 07-08 season.
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Post#55 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:59 pm by RatherUnique

Danny Ainge & McHale started a movement to put and end to that in the '07 offseason & Lebron capped it off with The Decision.

The best scorers in the league are now on stacked teams, with exception of Harden who will have the next 50 pointer.

Melo also has a chance.
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Post#56 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:28 pm by ShowTimeERA

Masigond wrote:Kobe hasn't scored 50 for three years (since dropping 61 on the Knicks on 02/02/2009). I don't think that he can do it anymore. He had about 20 games with 30+ FGAs since but lacks the great efficiency or foul drawing to get really high scoring numbers. And playing on a somewhat stacked Lakers team (at least in comparison to 2005 and 2006) doesn't make him take 40+ FGAs either.


Kobe scored 40pts last night on 65% with only 9 FT attempts without scoring in the 2nd quarter, all while still racking up 7 reb and 4 assists (should have been more if Nash converted on some of his shots). Kobe could do it if he wanted to...
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Post#57 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:34 pm by tsherkin

ShowTimeERA wrote:
Kobe scored 40pts last night on 65% with only 9 FT attempts without scoring in the 2nd quarter, all while still racking up 7 reb and 4 assists (should have been more if Nash converted on some of his shots). Kobe could do it if he wanted to...


Is it possible? Yes.

Is it likely? Less so. He isn't going to shoot that well on anything like even a semi-regular basis at the volumes he typically shoots.

He was also getting into the lane more effectively than is he typically capable of doing because he was playing the 5th-worst D in the league (Portland) and couldn't hit a J to save his life.

Not a great game to rest a 50-point campaign on, IMO. Kobe is most likely to do it from volume, not efficiency.
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Post#58 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:34 pm by Massamba

I think scorers are more focused on winning games than scoring 50 points games.
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Post#59 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:55 pm by EastSideBucksFan

Easily the best game I've ever witnessed live.

Got free lower level tix at the last minute.

This was incredible. My hand hurt from so many high fives.

Remember he was scoreless in the 1st quarter

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Post#60 Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:58 pm by cancer

slow pace, few possessions
basketball philosophy has really changed

game is at it's peak right now
as much as you want to see someone go off, the ball movement, the offensive and defensive schemes, and just the overall amount of pure talent is just so fun to watch
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