Players never seem to score 50 in a game anymore...

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Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game anymore... 

Post#31 » by BlackDog » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:47 am

^^^^^

Didn't we have a thread about this a while ago? It's the defenses.

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Post#32 » by MrBigShot » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:25 am

LeBron, Durant and Melo are the only ones capable of putting up multiple 50 point games in a season at this point. Durant could probably score 60 considering his ability and efficiency, but he'll never take take enough shots to get that much, partially because he doesn't need to.

I wonder how many of those 18 in 06-07 were Kobe's. One 50 point is special these days, his 4 straight including 2 60s is mind-boggling in hindsight.
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Post#33 » by Stolen Team Fan » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:33 am

MrBigShot wrote:LeBron, Durant and Melo are the only ones capable of putting up multiple 50 point games in a season at this point. Durant could probably score 60 considering his ability and efficiency, but he'll never take take enough shots to get that much, partially because he doesn't need to.

I wonder how many of those 18 in 06-07 were Kobe's. One 50 point is special these days, his 4 straight including 2 60s is mind-boggling in hindsight.


Partially? Ooh! I know the other reason why...

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Post#34 » by Pimpwerx » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:36 am

I don't think circumstances have allowed for it much lately. If someone gets to 40 in a blowout, the prevailing thought is to sit them to avoid injury or showboating. For contenders, in particular, this is just smart if you take the longview of the season. Bron certainly could've stayed in some games and gone for more 40+ games or triple-doubles, but Spo isn't bout dat life. Hell, Durant too. Brooks doesn't leave him in there to hang big numbers on the opposition. So basically, the two best scorers in the league have leashes that keep them from beasting more often. PEACE.
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Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game anymore... 

Post#35 » by MrBigShot » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:21 am

Stolen Team Fan wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:LeBron, Durant and Melo are the only ones capable of putting up multiple 50 point games in a season at this point. Durant could probably score 60 considering his ability and efficiency, but he'll never take take enough shots to get that much, partially because he doesn't need to.

I wonder how many of those 18 in 06-07 were Kobe's. One 50 point is special these days, his 4 straight including 2 60s is mind-boggling in hindsight.


Partially? Ooh! I know the other reason why...

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Post#36 » by branny » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:32 am

There's always a thread similar to this posted
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Post#37 » by branny » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:33 am

It's the combination of defense, 'superteams' and less volume scorers
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Post#38 » by B2Bhoops » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:45 am

MrBigShot wrote:I wonder how many of those 18 in 06-07 were Kobe's. One 50 point is special these days, his 4 straight including 2 60s is mind-boggling in hindsight.


Like that other guy said (I just looked it up to confirm) 10 of the 18 50+ point games that season were done by Kobe. He was just on another level entirely.
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Post#39 » by Alize » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:49 am

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Minge wrote:“Superteams” don’t require 50 point scorers, according to the Media.



Even Lebron's had only 9 50 point games in his career.

That's not a lot considering he's the best in the league. Of course he will have less on the Heat now that he has plenty of help alongside Bosh/Allen/Wade and co.


he passes a lot, i think he could drop some 50 point games, he has done it as a heat member against orlando
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Post#40 » by C0bR » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:57 am

Lebron just does not care about it. He said, if he sees open teammate, he just has to pass it, it is his mindset. He is not going to gun for it just for the sake of thing. If it is needed, he will get it.

I am not sure about Kobe scoring 50 this year, because it often does not help his team and they need to win.

I am pretty sure Durant will have at least one more 50 point game with 20+ FTAs this year.

There was a game like two weeks ago where Melo had 36-38 points at the end of the third quarter, so I expected him to make it, but he had 4 points in 4th quarter. He is going to have one this year too.
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Post#41 » by DRose4MVP » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:36 am

James Harden will be next.
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Post#42 » by Huesos » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:44 pm

BlackDog wrote:^^^^^

Didn't we have a thread about this a while ago? It's the defenses.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... nners-gone


Thanks for sharing. This seems like a sound explanation. It gives you a general sense of the game's recent evolution.
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Post#43 » by An Unbiased Fan » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:12 pm

Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.
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Post#44 » by SoulInTheHole7 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:23 pm

Harden will hit 50 eventually. Hell, who knows, could happen this season.

Kyrie will probably hit it at some point.

Had Rose never gotten injured, he had the potential to hit 50.

Hitting 50 is a big accomplishment, but it's when you hit 60 that it becomes pretty special.

There's been plenty mediocre/just good players over the years who have hit 50. Brandon Jennings went for 55 for God's sake, and Damon Stoudamire had a 54 point game once.

60 and above usually requires a special type of offensive player.

Who knows when the next time we'll see a 60 point game.

Durant would likely be the next one to go for 60, or Harden when he hits his peak. Melo is capable of a 60 point game as well.
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Post#45 » by bledredwine » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:27 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.


Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.
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Post#46 » by SoulInTheHole7 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:42 pm

bledredwine wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.


Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.


We're not talking about doing it multiple times, just once.

Hitting 50 once is difficult, but not impossible. Jennings did it for Christ sake! Jennings!

I'd say Westbrook would probably have a 50 point game under his belt if he was on a team where he was the 1st option.

But you're right on the last part. It's rare that you see guys who are capable of going for 50+ multiple times!
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Re: Players never seem to score 50 in a game anymore... 

Post#47 » by bledredwine » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:48 pm

To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement
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Post#48 » by bledredwine » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:51 pm

SoulInTheHole7 wrote:
bledredwine wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.


Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.


We're not talking about doing it multiple times, just once.

Hitting 50 once is difficult, but not impossible. Jennings did it for Christ sake! Jennings!

I'd say Westbrook would probably have a 50 point game under his belt if he was on a team where he was the 1st option.

But you're right on the last part. It's rare that you see guys who are capable of going for 50+ multiple times!
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Contrary to what the Durant homers may think, KD simply isn't as devestating an offensive force as peak/prime Kobe. And I don't think he ever will be.


ah gotcha.

Well in that case, many players CAN score 50 if they fluke extremely hard... but likely? Not at all.

Agreed, we have yet to see a scorer as talented/dominant as Kobe since his prime.
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Post#49 » by SoulInTheHole7 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:55 pm

bledredwine wrote:To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement


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Post#50 » by Masigond » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:56 pm

Kobe hasn't scored 50 for three years (since dropping 61 on the Knicks on 02/02/2009). I don't think that he can do it anymore. He had about 20 games with 30+ FGAs since but lacks the great efficiency or foul drawing to get really high scoring numbers. And playing on a somewhat stacked Lakers team (at least in comparison to 2005 and 2006) doesn't make him take 40+ FGAs either.

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