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bledredwine wrote:

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.

Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.

We're not talking about doing it multiple times, just once.

Hitting 50 once is difficult, but not impossible. Jennings did it for Christ sake! Jennings!

I'd say Westbrook would probably have a 50 point game under his belt if he was on a team where he was the 1st option.

But you're right on the last part. It's rare that you see guys who are capable of going for 50+ multiple times!
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I hate to break it to the Durant fans, but I can never see KD having as many 50+ games as Kobe, let alone Michael.

Contrary to what the Durant homers may think, KD simply isn't as devestating an offensive force as peak/prime Kobe. And I don't think he ever will be.

To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement

SoulInTheHole7 wrote:

bledredwine wrote:

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Again, the best scorers are on better teams now.

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Durant
Westbrook
Melo

all are capable of scoring 50, but they're not int he position to do so as much. If Harden was still on OKC would he be dropping 46 in a game, not likely.

Even that list from 2001-2009 was mostly Kobe, AI, Tmac, and other scorers. It's not like just anybody could score 50 back then, it was really just a few players who scored it multiple times.

Really man?

Wade capable of 50? Has he even scored 50 since 2009? That's 4 years!

and Westbrook? His career high is 45.

Even if they do manage to score 50, it'll be a one time thing.... not like Kobe/T-Mac/AI level of scoring where they're obviously more talented offensively.

Melo was in great position to score 50 with the Nuggets, and did it only twice. On the Heat, Dwyane Wade had as much of the offensive load as possible with any team, and he's scored 50 only 3 times... now he's not near the player he used to be. When he joined forces with Lebron, his PPG only dropped by 1.

I don't think that people realize how difficult scoring 50 is... just because MJ/Kobe did it so many times we take it for granted. But we have yet to see a player with such unstoppable/automatic offensive game like those two.

We're not talking about doing it multiple times, just once.

Hitting 50 once is difficult, but not impossible. Jennings did it for Christ sake! Jennings!

I'd say Westbrook would probably have a 50 point game under his belt if he was on a team where he was the 1st option.

But you're right on the last part. It's rare that you see guys who are capable of going for 50+ multiple times!
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I hate to break it to the Durant fans, but I can never see KD having as many 50+ games as Kobe, let alone Michael.

Contrary to what the Durant homers may think, KD simply isn't as devestating an offensive force as peak/prime Kobe. And I don't think he ever will be.

ah gotcha.

Well in that case, many players CAN score 50 if they fluke extremely hard... but likely? Not at all.

Agreed, we have yet to see a scorer as talented/dominant as Kobe since his prime.

bledredwine wrote:To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement

Barkley dropped 56 on the Warriors in 94 playoffs. I'd count that for Chuck.

Kobe hasn't scored 50 for three years (since dropping 61 on the Knicks on 02/02/2009). I don't think that he can do it anymore. He had about 20 games with 30+ FGAs since but lacks the great efficiency or foul drawing to get really high scoring numbers. And playing on a somewhat stacked Lakers team (at least in comparison to 2005 and 2006) doesn't make him take 40+ FGAs either.

The 9 guys to do it:
Durant (twice)
Melo (twice)
LBJ
Deron Williams
Andre Miller
Kevin Love
Brandon Jennings




Dirk, Kobe, Vince, Monta, Kevin Martin all had 48 point games in that time span

btw link here http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=50pointsinagame


You'll notice there was plenty of 50 point scoring in the 60s as well as the 00s, when rules were easier defensively.

SoulInTheHole7 wrote:

bledredwine wrote:To show you how hard it is regardless of era:


MJ scored 50-59 points on 34 occasions. 7 times in the playoffs.

He scored 60+ points on 5 occasions, 3 times in the playoffs.

He's the only player to record consecutive 50+ point games in the playoffs in NBA history

For comparisson, career 50 point games by the best scorers......

Karl Malone - 6 times
Charles Barkley - 0 times
David Robinson - 2 times
Shaquille O'Neal - 3 times
Hakeem Olajuwon - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 1 time

Magic - 0 times
Larry Bird - 4 times

Combined all of those guys have scored 50 18 times.... to MJ's 34 times... that's insane.


Scoring 50 points is VERY difficult to do. People have just been spoiled by MJ and Kobe...... Those are the best scorers of the 90s there and a couple from the 80s. I know I'm missing others but just look at the rarity of scoring 50.

Kobe did it 24 times, granted he has 7 of the 15 worst 50+ scoring games in efficiency since 1986, so some of that was volume scoring. Kobe's most efficient game is #12 on the all-time list, MJ has #1, 5 and 8 on the most efficient 50 point games, 3 more in the top 25, Regardless, you've got to give props to Kobe. Today, very few players can even score 50 once.

Saying it's the defense is stupid seeing as all the perimeter scoring shot up from 1999-2001 and the rules have stayed that way... just a silly statement

Barkley dropped 56 on the Warriors in 94 playoffs. I'd count that for Chuck.

wow, why isn't that game listed, i remember that

I think that post was for regular season only

Danny Ainge & McHale started a movement to put and end to that in the '07 offseason & Lebron capped it off with The Decision.

The best scorers in the league are now on stacked teams, with exception of Harden who will have the next 50 pointer.

Melo also has a chance.

Masigond wrote:Kobe hasn't scored 50 for three years (since dropping 61 on the Knicks on 02/02/2009). I don't think that he can do it anymore. He had about 20 games with 30+ FGAs since but lacks the great efficiency or foul drawing to get really high scoring numbers. And playing on a somewhat stacked Lakers team (at least in comparison to 2005 and 2006) doesn't make him take 40+ FGAs either.

Kobe scored 40pts last night on 65% with only 9 FT attempts without scoring in the 2nd quarter, all while still racking up 7 reb and 4 assists (should have been more if Nash converted on some of his shots). Kobe could do it if he wanted to...

ShowTimeERA wrote:
Kobe scored 40pts last night on 65% with only 9 FT attempts without scoring in the 2nd quarter, all while still racking up 7 reb and 4 assists (should have been more if Nash converted on some of his shots). Kobe could do it if he wanted to...

Is it possible? Yes.

Is it likely? Less so. He isn't going to shoot that well on anything like even a semi-regular basis at the volumes he typically shoots.

He was also getting into the lane more effectively than is he typically capable of doing because he was playing the 5th-worst D in the league (Portland) and couldn't hit a J to save his life.

Not a great game to rest a 50-point campaign on, IMO. Kobe is most likely to do it from volume, not efficiency.

I think scorers are more focused on winning games than scoring 50 points games.

Easily the best game I've ever witnessed live.

Got free lower level tix at the last minute.

This was incredible. My hand hurt from so many high fives.

Remember he was scoreless in the 1st quarter

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ConYsdSLIIA[/youtube]

slow pace, few possessions
basketball philosophy has really changed

game is at it's peak right now
as much as you want to see someone go off, the ball movement, the offensive and defensive schemes, and just the overall amount of pure talent is just so fun to watch

bledredwine wrote:in all fairness,

you had people like Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing who had smooth offensive games. All of them had automatic post-up games.

The only truly finess offensive players right now are Lebron, Kobe, Melo, KD.... and only 3 of the 4 are in their prime, aka really able to hit 50. Out of those, only 2 have a post game.

What's funny is the only guy you named currently able to hit 50 is also the one you named as being out of his prime.

bledredwine wrote:

justinian wrote:

bledredwine wrote:in all fairness,

you had people like Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing who had smooth offensive games. All of them had automatic post-up games.

The only truly finess offensive players right now are Lebron, Kobe, Melo, KD.... and only 3 of the 4 are in their prime, aka really able to hit 50. Out of those, only 2 have a post game.

Add LaMarcus Aldridge, the guy can be a scoring machine, if he is assertive enough. Pure finess

uh... LaMarcus is great and I respect him a lot,

but a 50 point scorer? He is not.

Heck, he barely averages 20.

You making it sound like averaging +20 ppg was something easy nowadays. Did you know only 11 players are doing it this year?

LMA has been one of the most consistent elite scorers in the league for the last 3 years

King d wrote:
You making it sound like averaging +20 ppg was something easy nowadays. Did you know only 11 players are doing it this year?

LMA has been one of the most consistent elite scorers in the league for the last 3 years

Only 11 people are doing it this year because our superstars suck at scoring compared to the 2000s with shaw t-mac etc. and especially the 90s

like it's easy "nowadays"

Are you trying to imply that for some reason, it's harder? Are you implying that Lamarcus Aldridge would average 25 in the 90s? Are you implying that the top 15 stars now are awesome? The reason why there's only 11 people averaging that is because our superstars do not compare... it's been on a steady decline for years now and players aren't forced to learn an effective post-game like they had to when defenses were tough.

Dude, in terms of scoring, we are in a particularly weak era. That's just the way it is. You can't argue for this era because Kobe is STILL a top scorer in the league.....

Jrue Holiday is a top 15 scorer this last year. So was Brandon Jennings. WTF?? P.P. KG are still relevant and desired as player in old old age, Dirk just won a championship.... you can't say it's hard to score nowadays, esp. since the rule changes in 1999-2001 caused perimeter scoring to shoot up.

Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kemp, Drexler, Robinson, Pippen, Miller, Mourning, Hill, T. Hardaway, Ritchmond, Mullin... the 90s were frickin stacked with talented, finess scorers.

These guys were ALL better scorers than LMA with the exception of maybe Pippen. How many of them during seasons of barely averaging 20, had 50 point games?

LMA can't score 50 points without multiple overtimes. Quote me on that, sig it, do whatever.

bledredwine wrote:

King d wrote:
You making it sound like averaging +20 ppg was something easy nowadays. Did you know only 11 players are doing it this year?

LMA has been one of the most consistent elite scorers in the league for the last 3 years

"nowadays"

Are you kidding me? Are you implying that Lamarcus Aldridge would average 25 in the 90s? Are you implying that the top 15 stars now are awesome? The reason why there's only 11 people averaging that is because our superstars do not compare... it's been on a steady decline for years now and players aren't forced to learn an effective post-game like they had to when defenses were tough.


Dude, in terms of scoring, we are in a particularly weak era. That's just the way it is. You can't argue for this era because Kobe is STILL a top scorer in the league.....

Jrue Holiday is a top 15 scorer this last year. So was Brandon Jennings. WTF??

Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kemp, Drexler, Robinson, Pippen, Miller, Morning, Hill, T. Hardaway, Ritchmond

were all better scorers than LMA. LMA can't score 50 points without multiple overtimes. Quote me on that, sig it, do whatever.

It's not a strong era for scorers but I wouldn't call it weak. In 1998 the 4th highest scorer was Mitch Richmond at 23.2. And from 1995/6 to 1999, there were only 11 50 point games

Bodhi wrote:

bledredwine wrote:

King d wrote:
You making it sound like averaging +20 ppg was something easy nowadays. Did you know only 11 players are doing it this year?

LMA has been one of the most consistent elite scorers in the league for the last 3 years

"nowadays"

Are you kidding me? Are you implying that Lamarcus Aldridge would average 25 in the 90s? Are you implying that the top 15 stars now are awesome? The reason why there's only 11 people averaging that is because our superstars do not compare... it's been on a steady decline for years now and players aren't forced to learn an effective post-game like they had to when defenses were tough.


Dude, in terms of scoring, we are in a particularly weak era. That's just the way it is. You can't argue for this era because Kobe is STILL a top scorer in the league.....

Jrue Holiday is a top 15 scorer this last year. So was Brandon Jennings. WTF??

Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kemp, Drexler, Robinson, Pippen, Miller, Morning, Hill, T. Hardaway, Ritchmond

were all better scorers than LMA. LMA can't score 50 points without multiple overtimes. Quote me on that, sig it, do whatever.

It's not a strong era for scorers but I wouldn't call it weak. In 1998 the 4th highest scorer was Mitch Richmond at 23.2

You're right that by 1998 it was dying down and players were getting old/retired

But, 1998 was still stronger than now. You had MJ, Shaq, Malone all averaging similar numbers to our top 3 scorers in KD/Melo/Lebron, but you had 14 20+ point scorers compared to today's what, 11?

It was definitely a weak year, but so is this. We're really experiencing a low hear compared to the 90s, and even 00s.

BUT I do think that there are a lot of exciting young players that will turn it around, among them Kyrie, Rose, Westbrook, Durant, Love, 2008 draft in particular etc... all young with tons of potential and upside going forward