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Post#76 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:15 am by Pimpwerx

daschysta wrote:ECF fodder maybe, but that also means 28 other teams in the league have it worse. Pacers are 2nd in the East, they are likely to be the favorite in a second round series if they have HCA. Pacers have a good shot against any team in the East except Miami. They are 6-1 against MIA/CHI/NYK afterall and haven't even had Granger for a single second yet this year, which is changing either tomorrow night or on tuesday evening.

Regular season means nothing. They honestly only have to worry about NYK and MIA, but that's the problem. They're probably gonna face one of the two in the 2nd round. Healthy Miami will embarrass them, no matter what the regular season says. That's a 5 game series, because they have enough trouble scoring on a good day. A Miami defense that's motivated is gonna make that team look bad. NY can take them handily if they start playing some defense again. NY can turn to Melo in crunch time. Who's Indy turning to?

Their brand if physical defense works great in the regular season, when no one really cares. They also benefit from being an disrespected team. Teams don't get up to play the Pacers. Maybe Chicago, but they have more of a rivalry than other teams. They talk trash and try to act tough, but they are the epitome of 2nd round fodder in the playoffs. Then again, they might get by the Knicks and then end up getting curbstomped in the ECF.

It all comes down to their offense IMO. They are not a good offensive team, and have no go to guy. There is no one healthy or injured on that roster than you can rely on to get buckets when the chips are down. That's a reason most of us don't take the Clips or Grizz seriously, because it's clear that when rotations tighten and star power come to the fore, that Indy is 3rd or 4th best in the East in that department. They're lucky Rose is injured, because no one would even give a **** about them. Chicago would be winning that division easily. PEACE.
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Post#77 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:20 am by Solid

Thirty point wins in succession blows a hole in the offensive difficulties you see.
New York just isn't going to D up.

The heat are SMALL AND THIN. They were LUCKY to get a ring and I don't see it happening again.

D doesn't work in the playoffs?
Only if the refs are in your pocket.

Pacers are playing great right now and their best scorer is just warmin' up.
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Post#78 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:22 am by Nuntius

zronv7 wrote:If only they picked Faried at 14, and I agree that Bird had a lot to do with it. It's to bad he left, that contract to hill is terrible and I don't think Bird would of approved that contract.


I love Faried but if we kept our pick in 2011 we wouldn't have acquired George Hill.

Without George Hill I don't think we would be as good as we are now. His play is justifying his contract, by the way.

Also, there are some chances that Bird could return after this season. He is still consulting several of our players (especially Stephenson) and the initial reports was the stepped out due to his health for a season and he would be open to return after some time off.
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Post#79 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:39 am by Nuntius

Pimpwerx wrote:That's a 5 game series


It was a 6 game series last season when the Pacers were significantly worse. Yes, the Heat were missing Bosh and Ray Allen is a good addition (despite not having scored a single point against the Pacers this season) but Indiana has gotten a lot better in several areas.

1) Defense was good last year. It is elite this year. The Pacers unquestionably the #1 defensive team in the NBA at the moment.

2) Paul George wasn't even half of the player that he is right now.

3) Lance Stephenson wasn't even quarter of the player that he is right now.

4) We have added big man depth. In the MIA - IND series when Hibbert was on the bench, LeBron and Wade could frely waltz into our paint and score. Why? Because our back-up Center was Lou Amundson and he is hardly bigger than LeBron. Now we have Ian Mahinmi to back up Roy Hibbert. Remember Ian Mahinmi? He's the guy that backed up Tyson Chandler when Dallas beat you in the Finals.

You can claim that the Heat are the favorites. Of course, they are. You can also claim that it will be a 6 game series. This also could be true. But you cannot say it will be a 5 game series. It cannot be worse simply because the Pacers are significantly better.

PS: Oh and that's without Danny Granger.

Pimpwerx wrote:because they have enough trouble scoring on a good day.


The last few games are proof that they don't have trouble scoring on a good day.

Pimpwerx wrote:A Miami defense that's motivated is gonna make that team look bad.


Will motivation make up for a significant lack of size? We'll have to wait and see :)

Pimpwerx wrote:but they are the epitome of 2nd round fodder in the playoffs.


Again, we will have to wait and see :D

I remember when the Pacers were a "joke" and "lucky to make the 2nd round" last year. They were considered 1st round fodder prior to the playoffs.

Again, the playoffs are going to change the perception that the average fan has on this Indiana Pacers team.
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Post#80 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:40 am by Da-Met

I'm a Pistons fan, and let me tell you, this Pacers team reminds me of the Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown Pistons teams in 03 and 04. They are underrated, dangerous, tough underdogs. I would not be shocked to see these guys upset Miami in one of the next 2 seasons. I think they are better than the Knicks.
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Post#81 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:41 am by DatBoiCapspace

DURRR there a treadmill team! Anyone who doesnt tank OKC style is a treadmill team!

^dats all you h8ers in dis thread.
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Post#82 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:58 am by Nuntius

Da-Met wrote:I'm a Pistons fan, and let me tell you, this Pacers team reminds me of the Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown Pistons teams in 03 and 04. They are underrated, dangerous, tough underdogs. I would not be shocked to see these guys upset Miami in one of the next 2 seasons. I think they are better than the Knicks.


That's nice to hear from a Pistons fan :D
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Post#83 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:07 am by Young_Star11

Indiana being slept on.

Tough defensive team and a protect home court well.

Done this without Granger all season so far.

Happy to have them #2 in the East right now.
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Post#84 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:11 am by winter_mute_13

Da-Met wrote:I'm a Pistons fan, and let me tell you, this Pacers team reminds me of the Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown Pistons teams in 03 and 04. They are underrated, dangerous, tough underdogs. I would not be shocked to see these guys upset Miami in one of the next 2 seasons. I think they are better than the Knicks.


I love the comparisons to the 03-04 Pistons. That is pretty much what we want to achieve. Or even better, the Bad Boys Pistons of the late 80s. I mean, how dare they (Pistons/Pacers) to compete against the NBA's golden boys (Celtics/Heat). The reactions in this thread has that kind of feel to me.
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Post#85 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:13 am by DatBoiCapspace

winter_mute_13 wrote:
Da-Met wrote:I'm a Pistons fan, and let me tell you, this Pacers team reminds me of the Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown Pistons teams in 03 and 04. They are underrated, dangerous, tough underdogs. I would not be shocked to see these guys upset Miami in one of the next 2 seasons. I think they are better than the Knicks.


I love the comparisons to the 03-04 Pistons. That is pretty much what we want to achieve. Or even better, the Bad Boys Pistons of the late 80s. I mean, how dare they (Pistons/Pacers) to compete against the NBA's golden boys (Celtics/Heat). The reactions in this thread has that kind of feel to me.


I think IND has a outside shot at taking the heat. They got the perimeter D and the inside scoring. All tehy need now is to get hot from 3 like the Mavs did. Id actually compare them more to the 11 Mavs then the 04 Pistons. I think the Nuggets with Faried are the new Pistons and are just a rasheed wallace trade away from becoming legit contenders.
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Post#86 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:20 am by cgg

DatBoiCapspace wrote:
winter_mute_13 wrote:
Da-Met wrote:I'm a Pistons fan, and let me tell you, this Pacers team reminds me of the Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown Pistons teams in 03 and 04. They are underrated, dangerous, tough underdogs. I would not be shocked to see these guys upset Miami in one of the next 2 seasons. I think they are better than the Knicks.


I love the comparisons to the 03-04 Pistons. That is pretty much what we want to achieve. Or even better, the Bad Boys Pistons of the late 80s. I mean, how dare they (Pistons/Pacers) to compete against the NBA's golden boys (Celtics/Heat). The reactions in this thread has that kind of feel to me.


I think IND has a outside shot at taking the heat. They got the perimeter D and the inside scoring. All tehy need now is to get hot from 3 like the Mavs did. Id actually compare them more to the 11 Mavs then the 04 Pistons. I think the Nuggets with Faried are the new Pistons and are just a rasheed wallace trade away from becoming legit contenders.


I think you might not know anything about the pistons.
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Post#87 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:01 am by DatBoiCapspace

Nuggets are balanced like the Pistons and focus on D, just cus they run does not make it a bad comparison its a different era now, was just throwing it out there. In the playoffs I think IND will live and die by their outside shooting against MIA just like the Mavs did. I dont think youre going to simply grind out a tough D series victory against the heat, I think you need to have inside scoring and get hot offensively from the perimeter. Look how they handled the Bulls and OKC in the playoffs. You need to shoot over their D not penetrate like Rose.
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Post#88 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:20 am by Jajwanda

Indiana has enough guys that can get hot from 3 to do that. Penetrating against Miami can be huge. Ask J.J. Barea.

If D.J. Augustin can come out of the cellar that'd be a big help.
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Post#89 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:32 am by Nuntius

DatBoiCapspace wrote:Nuggets are balanced like the Pistons and focus on D, just cus they run does not make it a bad comparison its a different era now, was just throwing it out there.


The Nuggets are ok defensively but they're nowhere close to the Pistons. They are #14 in Defensive Efficiency per teamrankings ( http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/de ... efficiency ) and that metric is not skewed by pace.

Indiana is a better comparison to Detroit simply because both were / are elite defensively.

DatBoiCapspace wrote:In the playoffs I think IND will live and die by their outside shooting against MIA just like the Mavs did. I dont think youre going to simply grind out a tough D series victory against the heat, I think you need to have inside scoring and get hot offensively from the perimeter. Look how they handled the Bulls and OKC in the playoffs. You need to shoot over their D not penetrate like Rose.


Indiana is not a team that lives and dies by the 3. They incorporate the 3 in their offense (they would be stupid not to) but they can win without it. They are #15 in PPG from 3 pointers with 20.6 and #12 in Percentage of Points from 3 pointers with 21.9%.

Here are the links to those metrics -> http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/pe ... 3-pointers
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/po ... 3-pointers

Indiana wins by defense, utilizing West's mid range game and inside scoring. We don't penetrate a lot like Rose. We pound the ball inside.

Given our size and defense, we can prove to be a formidable matchup for the Heat. Sure, if the 3 goes in then all the better but we don't live and die by it.

Will we need it against the Heat? Of course. We're going to win every available weapon against possibly the best team in the league.
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Post#90 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:42 am by franktony

Yeah they put a very nice team

Props to Larry the legend.

As for George Hill, he is as good as Bledsoe, Bradley and all those combo guards that are getting massive hype.
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Post#91 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:50 am by matt6715

Left Side Drive wrote:Pacers did a great job. Honestly a respectable way to rebuild a team.


This.
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Post#92 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:03 am by PetroNet

shouldnt this say:

"a clinic on how to be a treadmill team"?
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Post#93 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:14 am by matt6715

PetroNet wrote:shouldnt this say:

"a clinic on how to be a treadmill team"?


That treadmill team scares me a lot more than the "star" team Brooklyn put together. The Pistons proved that you can ride balanced scoring, elite D, and some luck to a championship.
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Post#94 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:43 am by XcalibuR

PetroNet wrote:shouldnt this say:

"a clinic on how to be a treadmill team"?


No that would involve trading Damian Lillard for Gerald Wallace.
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Post#95 Re: The Pacers Core (a clinic in how to build
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:51 am by PetroNet

matt6715 wrote:
PetroNet wrote:shouldnt this say:

"a clinic on how to be a treadmill team"?


That treadmill team scares me a lot more than the "star" team Brooklyn put together. The Pistons proved that you can ride balanced scoring, elite D, and some luck to a championship.


brooklyn isnt a star team... it was a team assmebled to be a playoff lock going into a new city/arena and ensure they arent moving to brooklyn with a loser. the nets arent a good team, and certainly not one built for the playoffs... in fact, the only bigger fraud team then us, is... well the pacers.

pacers offense is absolutely pathetic... you couldnt outscore us starting tyshon taylor and reggie evans. our defense is pathetic and we held you to what, 75 points in 4 quarters and overtime?

complete frauds. i hope we drop to the 6 or 7 seed so we can play you and actually get out of the first round
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