Early Predictions - Executive of the Year ?

Post #21 » by **INKtastic** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:23 pm

is there even a debate?

In about 2 months Griffin has done all of this

Hired: Blatt, Lue
Locked up Kyrie for the next 6 years
Signed free agents: LeBron, Miller, Marion, Jones and possibly Allen
Traded for: Love, the unique contract of Haywood (which will be quite valuable next sumer), multiple non-guaranteed contracts that can still be traded this summer

NCHeels2008 · Post #22 » by **NCHeels2008** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:34 pm

INKtastic wrote:is there even a debate?

In about 2 months Griffin has done all of this

Hired: Blatt, Lue
Locked up Kyrie for the next 6 years
Signed free agents: LeBron, Miller, Marion, Jones and possibly Allen
Traded for: Love, the unique contract of Haywood (which will be quite valuable next sumer), multiple non-guaranteed contracts that can still be traded this summer

Ohh the old LBJ4MVP is back! welcome back my man

thinktank · Post #23 » by **thinktank** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:05 pm

Actually, Flip Saunders is doing a marvelous job.

Mr Loggins · Post #24 » by **Mr Loggins** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:14 pm

hands11 wrote:
Mr Loggins wrote:
hands11 wrote:
LOL

Two valid points. But it changes very little. The improvement that CLE is getting it LeBron and LeBron moves i.e Love. That has pretty much nothing to do with their GM.

I agree that griffin had little to do with the Cavs' good luck this offseason....but don't make him out to be an idiot,

Never said he was an idiot. Just that the improvement for CLE wasn't because of his work. I doubt the people that vote will give him credit for the moves. They see it as clearly as we do.

I believe by trying to pin the Bennett draft on him, you were implying he wasn't that good.

Besides, I'm not sure how clearly you see things: didn't you just say Griffin blew it by not trading for Love before signing Wiggins?

Besides, if Blatt turns out to be an inspired pick, Griffin may still yet win it.

phraoh · Post #25 » by **phraoh** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:29 pm

Why is it when the all mighty one, Pat Riley, has Wade bring in Bosh and Lebron, along with others, just as Lebron is doing now, he is a genius, saint, whatever, and Exec of the year, but now when the same thing happens with Griffin he is just along for the ride. Can't have it both ways...either the GM gets the credit in both cases, or in neither. I am not really arguing that Griffin just got lucky, but he should get some credit....he cleared the cap space for Lebron...has traded to get non guaranteed contracts, etc.

That all being said....without a doubt Lebron should get at least assistant gm title and $$$ !!!

Being a Cavs fan (and yes, not just starting this summer), glad this has worked out in our favor, but it really is ridiculous that these players can't think for themselves !!!

Post #26 » by **Froob** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:31 pm

Griffin lucked into that entire offseason. He played no role in Cavs winning the lotto with a 1.7% chance or even really LeBron deciding to come back. Grunsfeld had a really nice off season for the Wiz, in position to have room for KD and got some nice players like Paul Pierce for excellent value.

Sc0pe92 · Post #27 » by **Sc0pe92** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:33 pm

Lebron James wins this

AkronsFinest91 · Post #28 » by **AkronsFinest91** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:43 pm

People are stating that David Griffin lucked into the situation and deserves 0 credit but have no problems praising Pat Riley as a god when all he ever did was also luck into Miami's big 3 that Lebron, Wade and Bosh planned years ago :lol:

Post #29 » by **INKtastic** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:05 pm

Froob wrote:Griffin lucked into that entire offseason. He played no role in Cavs winning the lotto with a 1.7% chance or even really LeBron deciding to come back. Grunsfeld had a really nice off season for the Wiz, in position to have room for KD and got some nice players like Paul Pierce for excellent value.

exactly how did Griffin luck into

1 - signing Blatt and Lue (it's pretty clear those were his top two coaching choices and he got both of them)

2 - trading for Love (we weren't the only team that tried)

3 - trading for Haywood's contract that will have enormous value next offseason. It effectively turns the cavs into a team over the cap that has up to 15 million in cap space to use in at trade.

4 - trading for those 3 non guaranteed contracts from Utah that can still be used this offseason to take back close to a MLE level player.

and if you want to credit LeBron for the rest (LeBron, Miller, Jones and Marion), you have to also credit LeBron for filling out the Heat roster 4 years ago.

Post #30 » by **Froob** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:09 pm

INKtastic wrote:
Froob wrote:Griffin lucked into that entire offseason. He played no role in Cavs winning the lotto with a 1.7% chance or even really LeBron deciding to come back. Grunsfeld had a really nice off season for the Wiz, in position to have room for KD and got some nice players like Paul Pierce for excellent value.

exactly how did Griffin luck into

1 - signing Blatt and Lue (it's pretty clear those were his top two coaching choices and he got both of them)

2 - trading for Love (we weren't the only team that tried)

3 - trading for Haywood's contract that will have enormous value next offseason. It effectively turns the cavs into a team over the cap that has up to 15 million in cap space to use in at trade.

4 - trading for those 3 non guaranteed contracts from Utah that can still be used this offseason to take back close to a MLE level player.

and if you want to credit LeBron for the rest (LeBron, Miller, Jones and Marion), you have to also credit LeBron for filling out the Heat roster 4 years ago.

He had no shot at Love (unless he trades Kyrie) without lucking into that #1 pick that he no absolutely no business in getting(projected to get 9th pick....). Yeah he gets credit for putting himself in position to be able to sign LeBron but let's not pretend the dude saved up multiple assets for a couple of seasons to be able to trade for Love like 99% of Gms have to do to trade for a star.

76ciology · Post #31 » by **76ciology** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:12 pm

Silvers.

How can you guys forgot that he drafted Isaiah Austin?

Runner up: Phil Jackson
Hey, don't underestimate the GM skills required needed for Melo to lose weight. No GM has ever done that to Melo before.

Kevin Johnson · Post #32 » by **Kevin Johnson** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:18 pm

INKtastic wrote:
Froob wrote:Griffin lucked into that entire offseason. He played no role in Cavs winning the lotto with a 1.7% chance or even really LeBron deciding to come back. Grunsfeld had a really nice off season for the Wiz, in position to have room for KD and got some nice players like Paul Pierce for excellent value.

exactly how did Griffin luck into

1 - signing Blatt and Lue (it's pretty clear those were his top two coaching choices and he got both of them)

2 - trading for Love (we weren't the only team that tried)

3 - trading for Haywood's contract that will have enormous value next offseason. It effectively turns the cavs into a team over the cap that has up to 15 million in cap space to use in at trade.

4 - trading for those 3 non guaranteed contracts from Utah that can still be used this offseason to take back close to a MLE level player.

and if you want to credit LeBron for the rest (LeBron, Miller, Jones and Marion), you have to also credit LeBron for filling out the Heat roster 4 years ago.

Forget Haywood and the non-guaranteed contracts or a damn rookie coach. Only thing that matters is Lebron and the #1 pick. And he had nothing to do with either Lebron or the #1 pick coming to Cleveland.

-Lebron makes Lebron to Cleveland possible
-#1 pick makes Love trade feasible
-Lebron makes Love willing to come to Cleveland
-Lebron makes veteran free agents willing to come to Cleveland

Your GM should just win "Luckiest Executive of the Year"

and yeah Riley had nothing to do with Lebron and Bosh going to Miami either

ufsports · Post #33 » by **ufsports** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:31 pm

Don't forget that EoY never goes to the right person. Morey did a lot more than Buford did last season

Notorious23 · Post #34 » by **Notorious23** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:44 pm

Pat Riley flipped Lebron James, Mike Miller, Ray Allen and James Jones for Luol Deng's corpse, Danny Granger's corpse, and Josh McRoberts.

Retained Dwyane Wade's corpse, Birdman's corpse, Udonis Haslem's corpse, paid a role player in Bosh a max contract, and saved Mario. Chalmers from heading to Europe by overpaying him.

Clearly Riley wins hands down.

Hans Embiid · Post #35 » by **Hans Embiid** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:08 pm

Chuck Texas wrote:Griffin

Donnie Nelson

The Field

Morey

GarPax easily 2nd.

Post #36 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:31 pm

Gasol, Mirotic, and Dougie Buckets are all nice adds for sure, but the season once again is going to come down to Rose. I just don't think he will get credit for the job he did because the narrative will be the return on Rose.

But I am a big fan of the Bulls off-season to be sure. And you're correct he deserves mention.

Notorious23 · Post #37 » by **Notorious23** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:36 pm

Notorious23 wrote:Pat Riley flipped Lebron James, Mike Miller, Ray Allen and James Jones for Luol Deng's corpse, Danny Granger's corpse, and Josh McRoberts.

Retained Dwyane Wade's corpse, Birdman's corpse, Udonis Haslem's corpse, paid a role player in Bosh a max contract, and saved Mario. Chalmers from heading to Europe by overpaying him.

Clearly Riley wins hands down.

Thought this was the worst off season thread. Woops.

JWizmentality · Post #38 » by **JWizmentality** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:11 pm

David Griffin...but we all know it's Lebron. All those lottery picks and the Cavs couldn't sniff the playoffs in the East. Lebron just decided to go home and everyone else followed. Griffin didn't do jack.

jackwindham · Post #39 » by **jackwindham** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:19 pm

Did Griffin not talk to James at all during free agency?

tranjSAIC · Post #40 » by **tranjSAIC** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:37 pm

Anyone who says Griffin is obviously a Cavs fan...

Really guys, just be happy with your team and the chance to win a championship. This was ALL Lebron and LUCK. You guys got extremely lucky to win the lotto AGAIN, without Lebron WANTING to come back you had no shot of getting Love. Lebron didn't do any kind of recruiting tour like most FA's. HE WANTED TO COME HOME... I'm sure most fans on here could have pulled off this Cavs summer given the circumstances.