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ufsports wrote:Don't forget that EoY never goes to the right person. Morey did a lot more than Buford did last season
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MaxwellSmart wrote:I hate to say this, but Go Lakers....
joma wrote:I mean, Pat Riley won in 2011 despite having nothing to do with the big 3. Lebron was going to play with Dwyane wade wherever he was. He has said so himself. Pay Riley was merely a bystander and lucked into it. People are trying to trash the cavs by saying Lebron is the GM, when Lebron was basically the GM for the heat too. He got Battier, Miller, Ray allen to all sign with the heat.
Narratives are a hilarious thing.
breatnach wrote:If Wiggins doesn't bust, I'll say Flip.
He had a steady hand and didn't panic even when rumours were leaked that Wiggins wasn't on the table. Getting such a good return is entirely Flip's achievement. I know it is a long shot, but if Wiggins / LaVine exceed expectations and Wolves get anywhere near the level they were last year, this award should be automatic.
hands11 wrote:MitchellUK wrote:Griffin drafted Wiggins (no one can argue with that as a pick) and brought Lebron back to Cleveland. Those are two moves that pretty much no-one can argue with right now.
It looks like he's going to turn Wiggins, Bennett and picks into Kevin Love. Bennett was, whether people want to claim otherwise or not, a source of embarrassment as a no.1 overall pick for the Cavs - that Griffin managed to utilize him as a positive trade chip rather than a "please take him off our hands" piece is an achievement in itself. The picks are likely to be inconsequential, at least when talking in terms of acquiring a star player. The only question mark that might arise from this trade is if Wiggins blossoms into one of the league's best players, but that won't be answered for several years. In the meantime the Cavs are likely to be perennial contenders, and even then you will be talking about having traded a guy who became one of the league's best players for a guy who is currently one of the league's best.
He also hired Blatt. The only move with a legit question mark given he's an NBA rookie as a head coach.
Bottom line, if Blatt works out as a coach and the Wiggins/Love deal goes down and the Cavs contend this coming season, Griffin is winning EoY.
Did you read anything posted here already before posting
MitchellUK wrote:hands11 wrote:MitchellUK wrote:Griffin drafted Wiggins (no one can argue with that as a pick) and brought Lebron back to Cleveland. Those are two moves that pretty much no-one can argue with right now.
It looks like he's going to turn Wiggins, Bennett and picks into Kevin Love. Bennett was, whether people want to claim otherwise or not, a source of embarrassment as a no.1 overall pick for the Cavs - that Griffin managed to utilize him as a positive trade chip rather than a "please take him off our hands" piece is an achievement in itself. The picks are likely to be inconsequential, at least when talking in terms of acquiring a star player. The only question mark that might arise from this trade is if Wiggins blossoms into one of the league's best players, but that won't be answered for several years. In the meantime the Cavs are likely to be perennial contenders, and even then you will be talking about having traded a guy who became one of the league's best players for a guy who is currently one of the league's best.
He also hired Blatt. The only move with a legit question mark given he's an NBA rookie as a head coach.
Bottom line, if Blatt works out as a coach and the Wiggins/Love deal goes down and the Cavs contend this coming season, Griffin is winning EoY.
Did you read anything posted here already before posting
Yes, why?
Oh, I'm sorry! If you wrote an opinion but stated it as fact then I am obliged to agree with you, is that it?
Griffin is the executive in charge of the Cavs roster, and it will be his signature that signs off on any moves they make (or may have already made) this offseason. So what if Lebron is the thing that makes Cleveland attractive for Kevin Love - the GM still negotiates the trades, makes the picks, etc.
wickedwrister wrote:Sign5 wrote:Anyone else forget or not even know the Cavs GM name before this thread?
Lebron James
Given the signings of Miller and Jones as well as Bennett and Wiggins being left out of his coming home letter I think everyone knows who is really calling the shots there.
hands11 wrote:breatnach wrote:If Wiggins doesn't bust, I'll say Flip.
He had a steady hand and didn't panic even when rumours were leaked that Wiggins wasn't on the table. Getting such a good return is entirely Flip's achievement. I know it is a long shot, but if Wiggins / LaVine exceed expectations and Wolves get anywhere near the level they were last year, this award should be automatic.
You are reading too many headlines.
Wiggins was on the table the entire time. Read LeBrons letter. This deal also was never going to go through quickly. Holding Wiggins back is simply allowing the process to play out and establishing his value so they didn't have to give up even more.
If I was MIN/Flip, a great deal would have been getting ride of someone like Martin and or Muhammad and picking up something extra like Dellavedova. Getting Wiggins and Bennett I don't see as any master negotiating. LeBron wanted Love and that was going to take giving up Wiggins at the bare min.
MIN now has Wiggins and Rubio and some pieces. They have a ways to go still.
joma wrote:I mean, Pat Riley won in 2011 despite having nothing to do with the big 3. Lebron was going to play with Dwyane wade wherever he was. He has said so himself. Pay Riley was merely a bystander and lucked into it. People are trying to trash the cavs by saying Lebron is the GM, when Lebron was basically the GM for the heat too. He got Battier, Miller, Ray allen to all sign with the heat.
Narratives are a hilarious thing.
MNister wrote:hands11 wrote:breatnach wrote:If Wiggins doesn't bust, I'll say Flip.
He had a steady hand and didn't panic even when rumours were leaked that Wiggins wasn't on the table. Getting such a good return is entirely Flip's achievement. I know it is a long shot, but if Wiggins / LaVine exceed expectations and Wolves get anywhere near the level they were last year, this award should be automatic.
You are reading too many headlines.
Wiggins was on the table the entire time. Read LeBrons letter. This deal also was never going to go through quickly. Holding Wiggins back is simply allowing the process to play out and establishing his value so they didn't have to give up even more.
If I was MIN/Flip, a great deal would have been getting ride of someone like Martin and or Muhammad and picking up something extra like Dellavedova. Getting Wiggins and Bennett I don't see as any master negotiating. LeBron wanted Love and that was going to take giving up Wiggins at the bare min.
MIN now has Wiggins and Rubio and some pieces. They have a ways to go still.
Why would Flip give up Shabazz - a lottery pick from a year ago - for Delladova who may be a serviceable backup at best? We have Rubio and Mo Williams..... not to mention Zach Lavine.
I agree with almost everything else you say, but Muhammed can be a good player in this league. If you don't think so, you either haven't watched him enough or simply buy into all the negative hearsay surrounding Shabazz.
breatnach wrote:If Wiggins doesn't bust, I'll say Flip.
He had a steady hand and didn't panic even when rumours were leaked that Wiggins wasn't on the table. Getting such a good return is entirely Flip's achievement. I know it is a long shot, but if Wiggins / LaVine exceed expectations and Wolves get anywhere near the level they were last year, this award should be automatic.
