Suns apparently trying to trade Bledsoe now

[jpengland]

Can people please stop hyping Tim Hardaway Jr? He's awful. Really awful.

Can't defend, can't handle the ball and one of the worst passing guards I have ever witnessed. His ONLY quality is his three ball, and even that isn't elite.

If he was called anything else, he'd already be on his way out of the league.

[omerome]

Can people please stop hyping Tim Hardaway Jr? He's awful. Really awful.

Can't defend, can't handle the ball and one of the worst passing guards I have ever witnessed. His ONLY quality is his three ball, and even that isn't elite.

If he was called anything else, he'd already be on his way out of the league.

So you mean after one year (his rookie season) you are already dubbing him as not just awful, but really awful? Wow.

[NBAfan3024]

Maybe Suns would want Eric Gordon again ha

[jpengland]

Can people please stop hyping Tim Hardaway Jr? He's awful. Really awful.

Can't defend, can't handle the ball and one of the worst passing guards I have ever witnessed. His ONLY quality is his three ball, and even that isn't elite.

If he was called anything else, he'd already be on his way out of the league.

So you mean after one year (his rookie season) you are already dubbing him as not just awful, but really awful? Wow.

Yes.

He simply doesn't have the skillset to be an even decent NBA player.

[Nycballa2k]

Can people please stop hyping Tim Hardaway Jr? He's awful. Really awful.

Can't defend, can't handle the ball and one of the worst passing guards I have ever witnessed. His ONLY quality is his three ball, and even that isn't elite.

If he was called anything else, he'd already be on his way out of the league.

So you mean after one year (his rookie season) you are already dubbing him as not just awful, but really awful? Wow.

Yes.

He simply doesn't have the skillset to be an even decent NBA player.

if he becomes elite at his ONLY quality then he will have a long career.

[jpengland]

So you mean after one year (his rookie season) you are already dubbing him as not just awful, but really awful? Wow.

Yes.

He simply doesn't have the skillset to be an even decent NBA player.

if he becomes elite at his ONLY quality then he will have a long career.

Jimmer Fredette and Steve Novak hold phenomenal value around the league.....both of whom are much better shooters than anybody can reasonably expect Tim Hardaway to achieve.

He is a horrible, horrible defender and just look at his assists to demonstrate how poor of a passer he is. Can't play defense, can't pass, doesn't rebound and isn't going to break people down off the dribble. His name will keep him in the league a while but he will soon be end of the bench trash.

[tranjSAIC]

- magic: bledsoe for gordon, frye and pick(s). Why for suns? Frye plays very well in their system. Gordon is more of a guess, if he can still be a good shooter like he used to be then great, if not his contract's only 1 year anyway.

You're crazy if you think the Magic would trade all that for Bledsoe, while I'm not high on Gordon, no way is a unhappy, injury prone, guy with no meniscus, max deal wanting guy worth that.

[matt6715]

Obviously I would love this guy on the Mavs but I don't see us having anywhere near enough assets to get it done

[rugbyrugger23]

Bulls call Suns and offer Gibson, Kings pick, own pick, and say what more do you need for Bledsoe?

*Kings could be 3rd team, who showed interest in Gibson, for one of their young SG's going to Suns.

Bledsoe would be great Rose insurance if injured. But also take scoring load off him when actually on the court.

Bulls training staff would need a huge raise with those two.

Noah
Gasol/Mirotic
Butler
Bledsoe
Rose

[QRich3]

This is being horribly mishandled by both sides. The Suns because if they're not willing to pay him the max, they should have been seriously exploring sign and trade options before the draft (since it was pretty obvious that was always what Bledsoe was gonna ask for) and have something done before no team had any capspace left. And Bledsoe's people because they're losing any leverage they might have had, and it's pretty obvious they don't want to risk accepting the qualifying offer in case of an injury.

So in the end, the most likely option is they re-sign him at a price that he's not happy with, so you have another malcontent unmotivated player like what happened to Eric Gordon, or they end up doing a trade where the Suns get less than what Bledsoe's worth, and he gets paid less than he expected to.

It's a pity cause he was a really good fit in Hornaceck's system.

[rugbyrugger23]

Bulls call Suns and offer Gibson, Kings pick, own pick, and say what more do you need for Bledsoe?

*Kings could be 3rd team, who showed interest in Gibson, for one of their young SG's going to Suns.

Bledsoe would be great Rose insurance if injured. But also take scoring load off him when actually on the court.

Bulls training staff would need a huge raise with those two.

Noah
Gasol/Mirotic
Butler
Bledsoe
Rose

In concept:

Kings acquire: Gibson + maybe small filler from Suns

Suns acquire: McLemore + McBuckets + DWill + Kings 1st Owed Bulls

Bulls acquire: Bledsoe + small Suns filler (Suns have a full roster and with this trade would need to attach someone)

[Prokorov]

i still dont get the bledsoe love. good player, good defender. but cant stay healthy and really has had just 1 good season where he played well and stayed on the court.

you dont give 10+ million to a guy like that, you'll get burned

[BigFatBob]

I got Bledsoe going to the Bucks, Kings, or Lakers. Now what it do fu-fu?

[spaceballer]

Bulls call Suns and offer Gibson, Kings pick, own pick, and say what more do you need for Bledsoe?

*Kings could be 3rd team, who showed interest in Gibson, for one of their young SG's going to Suns.

Bledsoe would be great Rose insurance if injured. But also take scoring load off him when actually on the court.

Bulls training staff would need a huge raise with those two.

Noah
Gasol/Mirotic
Butler
Bledsoe
Rose

What happens when Rose and Bledsoe are both out due to knee issues? Then you end up with lots of money tied up with two point guards at max contracts sitting in suits on the bench. Given Rose's health situation, the last thing the Bulls want is their replacement for Rose to also have the same health question marks and potential knee concerns.

[spaceballer]

This is being horribly mishandled by both sides. The Suns because if they're not willing to pay him the max, they should have been seriously exploring sign and trade options before the draft (since it was pretty obvious that was always what Bledsoe was gonna ask for) and have something done before no team had any capspace left. And Bledsoe's people because they're losing any leverage they might have had, and it's pretty obvious they don't want to risk accepting the qualifying offer in case of an injury.

So in the end, the most likely option is they re-sign him at a price that he's not happy with, so you have another malcontent unmotivated player like what happened to Eric Gordon, or they end up doing a trade where the Suns get less than what Bledsoe's worth, and he gets paid less than he expected to.

It's a pity cause he was a really good fit in Hornaceck's system.

Bledsoe's agent is really only where he is because he was a friend of Lebron. He's a bit inexperienced when it comes to these things, and wouldn't have even had a seat at the table if Lebron didn't pick him. It's no wonder he bungled Bledsoe's free agency. Bledsoe should have known better than to trust a neophyte agent who doesn't have Bledsoe as his main priority. The agent was focused mostly on managing Lebron's free agency, so Bledsoe got pushed to the background.

Bledsoe is desperately holding out for max because he knows this may be his one and only big contract. He wants a max because after signing this contract, he might blow up his knee again with recurring meniscus issues and wash out of the league, or come back from rehab a shell of his former self. Bledsoe's playstyle depends on his athleticism and getting into the paint or using his athleticism to defend; it's not a cerebral floor general passing game. So if his athleticism takes a hit due to the knee issues, his level of play will drop significantly, and be much more affected than other players whose playstyles may be more skill based or cerebral instead of purely athleticism based.

There is zero chance of him taking the QO, given his knee concerns and the fact that this may be his only big contract before washing out of the league with injury issues.

[Boarder Patrol]

Yes.

He simply doesn't have the skillset to be an even decent NBA player.

if he becomes elite at his ONLY quality then he will have a long career.

Jimmer Fredette and Steve Novak hold phenomenal value around the league.....both of whom are much better shooters than anybody can reasonably expect Tim Hardaway to achieve.

He is a horrible, horrible defender and just look at his assists to demonstrate how poor of a passer he is. Can't play defense, can't pass, doesn't rebound and isn't going to break people down off the dribble. His name will keep him in the league a while but he will soon be end of the bench trash.

Tell me more about how players are finished products after their first year and don't generally improve their efficiency/defense as they go into year 2.

He's, at worst, going top 8 or so in a re draft and the Knicks got him at 24. It was a very good pick.

[spaceballer]

i still dont get the bledsoe love. good player, good defender. but cant stay healthy and really has had just 1 good season where he played well and stayed on the court.

you dont give 10+ million to a guy like that, you'll get burned

The Bledsoe love really started during the stint on the Clippers backing up CP3. When CP3 was out, Bledsoe stepped up. The fact that he played well, coupled with the fact that he would be an RFA under team matching control made his contract attractive trade bait. The Clippers sold high on him.

On the Suns, he had a chance to prove that the brief time in the sun with the Clippers wasn't a fluke and that he deserved a large contract. Instead, he ended up reinforcing the heath question marks with a second meniscus injury to the same knee he injured while on the Clippers. Two injuries and two meniscus surgeries to the same knee on two different teams in the span of about two years.

The injury issue means he now becomes a gamble. He might be worth it to some, not worth it to others, depending on your appetite for gambling.

Best case scenario for teams is if the heath concerns depress his stock and he's forced to take a lower priced contract but then fights off the injury bugaboos. Then you end up with a good bargain PG on a below market price contract due to health concerns like Steph Curry or Lowry on his previous contract. But that's obviously not going to happen if he's demanding max.

Worse case scenario is that he locks in a max contract and then promptly blows up his knee again and struggles to come back like Rose or becomes an albatross max contract like Amar'e Stoudemire.

Russian Roulette with a bullet to the meniscus.

[tiderulz]

- magic: bledsoe for gordon, frye and pick(s). Why for suns? Frye plays very well in their system. Gordon is more of a guess, if he can still be a good shooter like he used to be then great, if not his contract's only 1 year anyway.

I personally like the knicks and magic ideas, bucks not so much because it's too big of a risk.

oh hell no. Orlando is fine and happy with Payton. Not interested at all in the walking injury that is Bledsoe, especially when he hasnt played a full season as a starter without being injured. Otherwise, him and his contract demands can be handled by someone else.

[Marcus]

- magic: bledsoe for gordon, frye and pick(s). Why for suns? Frye plays very well in their system. Gordon is more of a guess, if he can still be a good shooter like he used to be then great, if not his contract's only 1 year anyway.

you meant Frye right? cause i don't EVER remember Gordon being a "good shooter"

[Zane]

Bulls call Suns and offer Gibson, Kings pick, own pick, and say what more do you need for Bledsoe?

*Kings could be 3rd team, who showed interest in Gibson, for one of their young SG's going to Suns.

Bledsoe would be great Rose insurance if injured. But also take scoring load off him when actually on the court.

Bulls training staff would need a huge raise with those two.

Noah
Gasol/Mirotic
Butler
Bledsoe
Rose

What happens when Rose and Bledsoe are both out due to knee issues? Then you end up with lots of money tied up with two point guards at max contracts sitting in suits on the bench. Given Rose's health situation, the last thing the Bulls want is their replacement for Rose to also have the same health question marks and potential knee concerns.

Yeah and the Bulls/Thibs would much rather have Gibson then Bledsoe. I think rightfully so as well.