What does Klay Thompson do that Terrence Ross cant?

[PerFex]

Thompson can't create his own shot

[Side beard]

Klay can create his own shot. GS fans just complain about him but you would see the difference when Ross tries to create.

TRoss scored 51? On 10 made 3s. No way all those 3s were open shots.

[sixerswillrule]

Thompson actually created his own shot (unassisted) on just 22% of his field goals last season.
Ross was at 30%.

[turk3d]

Yesterday against the Nuggets: 17 minutes (only played in 1st half), 18 pts, 6-10 fg, 3-4 3s, 4 reb, 5 ast, 2 blks against the Nuggets starters My oh my, Klay can't be in the process of developing a complete game now, can he?

[robi]

I remember Ross scored 49 against LAC lol.


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[CnG]

Thompson actually created his own shot (unassisted) on just 22% of his field goals last season.
Ross was at 30%.

You say "just" as if it's a bad thing.

Should Klay can that number up to 35% and make his game more inefficient?

[sixerswillrule]

Thompson actually created his own shot (unassisted) on just 22% of his field goals last season.
Ross was at 30%.

You say "just" as if it's a bad thing.

Should Klay can that number up to 35% and make his game more inefficient?

No, I said it because this is a Klay vs. Ross comparison thread. Comparing numbers is usually part of what's involved, no? Also it's been said in this thread that Klay creates more than Ross. Volume wise, sure, as Klay has higher minutes/volume. Proportionally, though, no.

[CnG]

Thompson actually created his own shot (unassisted) on just 22% of his field goals last season.
Ross was at 30%.

You say "just" as if it's a bad thing.

Should Klay can that number up to 35% and make his game more inefficient?

No, I said it because this is a Klay vs. Ross comparison thread. Comparing numbers is usually part of what's involved, no? Also it's been said in this thread that Klay creates more than Ross. Volume wise, sure, as Klay has higher minutes/volume. Proportionally, though, no.

I just think those stats could be potentially shallow as they do not show the efficiency of the non-assisted buckets or non-assisted buckets per 36 mins.

I don't watch Ross regularly, only 4 or 5 times a year in the reg season so can't really comment on his ability to create.

[sixerswillrule]

You say "just" as if it's a bad thing.

Should Klay can that number up to 35% and make his game more inefficient?

No, I said it because this is a Klay vs. Ross comparison thread. Comparing numbers is usually part of what's involved, no? Also it's been said in this thread that Klay creates more than Ross. Volume wise, sure, as Klay has higher minutes/volume. Proportionally, though, no.

I just think those stats could be potentially shallow as they do not show the efficiency of the non-assisted buckets or non-assisted buckets per 36 mins.

I don't watch Ross regularly, only 4 or 5 times a year in the reg season so can't really comment on his ability to create.

Well, their FG% on drives (which would all be unassisted) are close to identical (both at 46%):
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDriv ... tOrder=DES

Their FG% on total 2 pointers are also close to identical (and also at 46%).
I'd bet that their efficiency on total unassisted attempts would also be about the same.

[The-Power]

Thompson actually created his own shot (unassisted) on just 22% of his field goals last season.
Ross was at 30%.

Creating a shot is a process you can't simply break down into a reference of unassisted field goals. The percentage of assisted/unassisted field goals is more of a result of the system on offense than a result of the ability to create his own shot. E.g. if Klay moves in order to get open, shakes his defender off, then receives the pass from the Center in the high post and makes the field goal with his quick release, he created the shot, yet it was assisted.

[sixerswillrule]

Thompson actually created his own shot (unassisted) on just 22% of his field goals last season.
Ross was at 30%.

Creating a shot is a process you can't simply break down into a reference of unassisted field goals. The percentage of assisted/unassisted field goals is more of a result of the system on offense than a result of the ability to create his own shot. E.g. if Klay moves in order to get open, shakes his defender off, then receives the pass from the Center in the high post and makes the field goal with his quick release, he created the shot, yet it was assisted.

All true. But when people in this thread were talking about Klay's advantage over Ross in terms of creating his own shot, I'm pretty sure they were talking about what he can do with the ball in his hands (posting up, off the dribble, etc.). So unassisted field goals directly relates to that.

[The-Power]

Thompson actually created his own shot (unassisted) on just 22% of his field goals last season.
Ross was at 30%.

Creating a shot is a process you can't simply break down into a reference of unassisted field goals. The percentage of assisted/unassisted field goals is more of a result of the system on offense than a result of the ability to create his own shot. E.g. if Klay moves in order to get open, shakes his defender off, then receives the pass from the Center in the high post and makes the field goal with his quick release, he created the shot, yet it was assisted.

All true. But when people in this thread were talking about Klay's advantage over Ross in terms of creating his own shot, I'm pretty sure they were talking about what he can do with the ball in his hands. So unassisted field goals directly relates to that.

I see your points but I don't agree with both. I was already talking about creating the shot and how this can't be proven with the percentage of unassisted/assisted field goals. Now, this percentage doesn't show what a player can do with the ball in his hands either. As for Klay, his role on offense wasn't to create his own shot but mainly receiving passes from the point guard/ballhandler and then shoot the ball. Klay, as well as most of the other players, was first and foremost a product of the system. It barely represents his skills adequately. Of course you can argue that if Klay could do it better, the system would've taken that into account - well, I'm not sure this is true for a offensive system created by Mark Jackson.

And to clarify: I actually don't want to refer to Klay in particular. I'm trying to argue in general in terms of the data mentioned and how it doesn't necessarily show the full story.

[sixerswillrule]

Creating a shot is a process you can't simply break down into a reference of unassisted field goals. The percentage of assisted/unassisted field goals is more of a result of the system on offense than a result of the ability to create his own shot. E.g. if Klay moves in order to get open, shakes his defender off, then receives the pass from the Center in the high post and makes the field goal with his quick release, he created the shot, yet it was assisted.

All true. But when people in this thread were talking about Klay's advantage over Ross in terms of creating his own shot, I'm pretty sure they were talking about what he can do with the ball in his hands. So unassisted field goals directly relates to that.

I see your points but I don't agree with both. I was already talking about creating the shot and how this can't be proven with the percentage of unassisted/assisted field goals. Now, this percentage doesn't show what a player can do with the ball in his hands either. As for Klay, his role on offense wasn't to create his own shot but mainly receiving passes from the point guard/ballhandler and then shoot the ball. Klay, as well as most of the other players, was first and foremost a product of the system. It barely represents his skills adequately. Of course you can argue that if Klay could do it better, the system would've taken that into account - well, I'm not sure this is true for a offensive system created by Mark Jackson.

And to clarify: I actually don't want to refer to Klay in particular. I'm trying to argue in general in terms of the data mentioned and how it doesn't necessarily show the full story.

Stats never show the full story. You just have to put it into context. Yeah, you could argue that Klay could be capable of more on-ball responsibility. Whether or not it would be for the benefit of the team is also another argument. I'm simply stating what occurred last season: A small portion of Klay's shots were created by him with the ball in his hands. Ross's was also a small portion, but slightly higher than Klay, relatively speaking.

[Boomerfan]

LOL Terrence Ross is not worthy of cleaning Klay's boots at the moment

Ross averages 8.7 ppg on his career. Klay almost 17ppg
Klay Thompson made as many 3 pointers in 2014 alone as Terrence Ross has made in his entire career
Klay is probably the best 2 way player in the NBA right now.

It is seriously not even close.

[DynastySS]

lol 14 PER
lol 12 PER in the playoffs
lol disappears in big games
lol looks like an uglier Cory Matthews
lol benefiting greatly through the media by acquiring a "cool nickname" because he plays with Steph Curry

lol at PER.

[DynastySS]

Thompson can't create his own shot, yet he wants to get paid like a superstar.

I am going to go out on a limb and assume you are not often complimented on your basketball "analysis".

[East Bay Sports]

lol 14 PER
lol 12 PER in the playoffs
lol disappears in big games
lol looks like an uglier Cory Matthews
lol benefiting greatly through the media by acquiring a "cool nickname" because he plays with Steph Curry

Come on, if anything he is a better looking Cory Matthews.

[PurpleTrees]

LOL Terrence Ross is not worthy of cleaning Klay's boots at the moment

Ross averages 8.7 ppg on his career. Klay almost 17ppg
Klay Thompson made as many 3 pointers in 2014 alone as Terrence Ross has made in his entire career
Klay is probably the best 2 way player in the NBA right now.

It is seriously not even close.

Are you serious with this? You cant use raw volume statistics to compare a guy that came off the bench for half a season to a guy that Started and was the 2nd option.

[DynastySS]

LOL Terrence Ross is not worthy of cleaning Klay's boots at the moment

Ross averages 8.7 ppg on his career. Klay almost 17ppg
Klay Thompson made as many 3 pointers in 2014 alone as Terrence Ross has made in his entire career
Klay is probably the best 2 way player in the NBA right now.

It is seriously not even close.

Are you serious with this? You cant use raw volume statistics to compare a guy that came off the bench for half a season to a guy that Started and was the 2nd option.

Why doesn't Ross play more?

[Lionlifer]

I find all the mentions of the 51 point game hilarious, seems some aren't familiar with the concept of an outlier.

That's the not norm, stop referencing it like T Ross can go off for 51 at any point......