BAB: Signing Pau Gasol Was A Mistake

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BAB: Signing Pau Gasol Was A Mistake 

Post#1 » by Game6 » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:12 am

Pau Gasol was selected as an All Star starter by the fans. This is, honestly, a joke. Pau Gasol is the Bulls fourth best big man. Yes, fourth best. Behind Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, and even rookie Nikola Mirotic. The idea that Gasol was somehow one of the best big men in the entire Eastern Conference is ridiculous. At first glance, it's easy to see why Pau has received this recognition. Pau is averaging 18 points, 12 rebounds, nearly 3 assists, and over 2 blocks in his roughly 35 minutes per game. Those certainly seem like All Star numbers. However, it's pretty likely that no one is putting up emptier stats than Pau Gasol is this season.

Offensively, the Bulls routinely force-feed Gasol isolations on the block, allowing him to post-up while everyone else mostly stands around watching him, not cutting, not moving, nothing, just watching. Pau goes to work down low and if he has a mismatch, he scores with relative ease. Put someone with some defensive skill in the post on Pau, though, and he is almost entirely neutralized. This has happened over and over this season. It happened recently against the Heat in Miami, as Gasol (along with Taj Gibson) was dominated inside by Hassan Whiteside, scoring just 13 points on 16 shots. In the Bulls' last game against the Cavs, with the defensively stout Timofey Mozgov as his primary matchup, Gasol went 4 of 14 from the field and scored just 11 points. In the Bulls' last game against the Washington Wizards' beastly frontcourt Gasol went 4 of 11 from the field and scored just 13 points in 33 minutes. Simply put, too often, Gasol's offense, the place where he actually provides some value, disappears when confronted with a tough matchup. Sure, put Pau on the floor with a depleted Bucks front line and he might drop 46, but against legitimate post defense, Pau does not shine the way a 7 footer with his size and skill should. He gets bullied.

Defensively, Gasol is an absolute trainwreck. Despite his heavy rebound totals, Gasol almost never boxes out anyone. His rebounding totals are primarily the result of his being around the rim for the vast majority of the game and catching whatever misses come off in his immediate vicinity.

Looking at ESPN's Real Plus-Minus tells a similar story. Pau is rated worse than Nikola Mirotic and Taj Gibson & outpaces Joakim Noah only slightly (Pau is +1.04 to Noah's +.69 per 100 possessions), but Noah has been significantly limited by his health all year. The Noah we've seen the last few games as he seems to return to health is a significantly better player than Pau.

All of this is to say Nikola is a perfect fit alongside the rest of the starting unit. He should be playing with those guys. But Thibodeau won't put him in there, both because he doesn't like to trust rookies, but also because Pau is the type to whine in the media about his minutes and role. See, for example, his public expression that he wanted to close games prior to the season even starting.

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Post#2 » by JB2 » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:15 am

Pau getting that same treatment he got in LA

already....
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Re: BAB: Signing Pau Gasol Was A Mistake 

Post#3 » by narmerguy » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:20 am

I think it's funny that people are acting like it wasn't common knowledge that Gasol was a traffic cone on defense. It's just another example of how offensive-oriented many fans and sometimes executives can be. You cannot simply collect a bunch of big-name, high-stat players and neglect real scrutiny of defensive performance. That stuff matters, a lot, but it's always undervalued (for example, when trumpeting a player people will say they had a "double double", or were 20-10. No one wants to hear "He has 7-39", meaning he had 7 points and held his opponent to 39% FG. That needs to become a thing.
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Post#4 » by CellarDoor » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:26 am

What really hurts us isn't Gasol's defense specifically: he's better than the guy he replaced (Boozer). The issue is that he forces Noah out of position too, so we end up sucking less at one position in order to suck more at the more important position.
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Re: BAB: Signing Pau Gasol Was A Mistake 

Post#5 » by Ursusamericanus » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:30 am

Bulls fans, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, because I've only seen a handful of Bulls games this season.

But honestly it seems like they have multiple problems and to simply point the finger at Pau is just being myopic. Off the top of my head...

- Player/FO issues with Thibs
- Riding Jimmy Butler too much
- Injuries
- Hinrich playing terribly
- Rose's inconsistency
- Noah playing poorly

All of the above appear to be holding them back, and I'm sure there is more. I've never liked Chicago, but I always respected the hell out of them for playing harder than any other team. Scrappy, hard-nosed, defense first, teamwork. That was their identity. They've lost it.

It may seem silly to nitpick a team that is 30-19, but that only speaks volumes about their potential coming into this season. It's only a matter of time before Cleveland passes them (currently 1 game back). Pau has been a disappointment but there is so much more going on.
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Post#6 » by geminiz » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:50 am

Hyaena wrote:Bulls fans, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, because I've only seen a handful of Bulls games this season.

But honestly it seems like they have multiple problems and to simply point the finger at Pau is just being myopic. Off the top of my head...

- Player/FO issues with Thibs
- Riding Jimmy Butler too much
- Injuries
- Hinrich playing terribly
- Rose's inconsistency
- Noah playing poorly

All of the above appear to be holding them back, and I'm sure there is more. I've never liked Chicago, but I always respected the hell out of them for playing harder than any other team. Scrappy, hard-nosed, defense first, teamwork. That was their identity. They've lost it.

It may seem silly to nitpick a team that is 30-19, but that only speaks volumes about their potential coming into this season. It's only a matter of time before Cleveland passes them (currently 1 game back). Pau has been a disappointment but there is so much more going on.



Hinrich has always been terrible. I really don't understand what's with Bulls love for this guy for such a looooong time.

He can't bloody shoot, regularly airballs and his defense is grossly overrated.
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Post#7 » by Waka Flocka » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:53 am

who cares about gasol when d rose is done? lots of teams make mistakes but you dont make apost for every single one. bulls are irrelevant this season, man!
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Post#8 » by Peja Stojakovic » Sun Feb 1, 2015 8:04 am

why do people still have these expectations from the bulls? is it because of 2011? that was a while ago. every player in their rotation is either significantly flawed or off form at the moment. they benefit a lot from being one of only five teams serious about winning in their conference
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Post#9 » by Waka Flocka » Sun Feb 1, 2015 8:06 am

Peja Stojakovic wrote:why do people still have these expectations from the bulls? is it because of 2011? that was a while ago. every player in their rotation is either significantly flawed or off form at the moment. they benefit a lot from being one of only five teams serious about winning in their conference


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Re: BAB: Signing Pau Gasol Was A Mistake 

Post#10 » by Damon_3388 » Sun Feb 1, 2015 8:12 am

Pau Gasol was selected as an All Star starter by the fans. This is, honestly, a joke. Pau Gasol is the Bulls fourth best big man. Yes, fourth best. Behind Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, and even rookie Nikola Mirotic. The idea that Gasol was somehow one of the best big men in the entire Eastern Conference is ridiculous. At first glance, it's easy to see why Pau has received this recognition. Pau is averaging 18 points, 12 rebounds, nearly 3 assists, and over 2 blocks in his roughly 35 minutes per game. Those certainly seem like All Star numbers. However, it's pretty likely that no one is putting up emptier stats than Pau Gasol is this season.


Lolwut?

If he's putting up "empty stats" and is "just" the Bulls' fourth best big man, then he's been an empty stats guy and a rubbish player his whole career. He's having one of the best seasons of his career statistically, particularly in rebounding and defensive metrics.
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Post#11 » by kingkirk » Sun Feb 1, 2015 9:47 am

That blog makes no sense at all. Pau being the Bulls 4th best big? Please. Stopped reading there.

Pau has had his issues, as has the team, but claiming he is our worst big is absurd.
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Post#12 » by TimRobbins » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:08 am

Pau has been playing much better than expected. He's putting up 18/12 on the best efficiency since 2010. Gasol is the last problem the Bulls have. He also signed a bargain contract.
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Post#13 » by TDevilsG » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:15 am

Stopped at fourth best center on team.
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Post#14 » by ckman » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:16 am

One of the most biased article i've ever read. The title should be " i hate Gasol"
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Re: BAB: Signing Pau Gasol Was A Mistake 

Post#15 » by GimmeDat » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:20 am

I think there are genuine fit issues, but did we have any other options in terms of signings? It's one of many problems right now, but ultimately, it can be worked around.
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Post#16 » by Cracklenuts » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:36 am

So we're posting blog posts as news now?
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Post#17 » by WhatsaTDot » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:38 am

I would be pretty happy with P Gasol as my 4th best big.

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Re: BAB: Signing Pau Gasol Was A Mistake 

Post#18 » by Prince12 » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:50 am

I'm not a fan of Gasol myself. He's never been a great defender that's common knowledge but that blog is rubbish. Using Pau as the scapegoat cause he's an easy target.
Why don't they have a look at Rose single handily shooting Bulls out of games lately?
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Post#19 » by Kupchak9 » Sun Feb 1, 2015 11:16 am

Sure blame it on Pau when Rose is putting up this statline over the last 5 games...


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Post#20 » by El Turco » Sun Feb 1, 2015 11:44 am

TDevilsG wrote:Stopped at fourth best center on team.


so you never stopped?
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