MCW Not Ranked Among Top-30 NBA Point Guards According To NBA Personnel

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Do you agree that MCW is not a Top 30 PG?

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Re: MCW Not Ranked Among Top-30 NBA Point Guards According To NBA Personnel 

Post#21 » by skones » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:25 pm

tooler wrote:I'd take Elfrid over him right now because at least he knows his limitations. We all assume it's easy to get a guy to stop taking bad shots, stop turnovers, etc. but if it were easy we wouldn't have any veterans like that!


To be fair, as far as his shot selection is concerned, he wasn't put in a position to be selective in Philly. Whether he's reigned in by Kidd or not remains to be seen, but given the circumstances, there may be more reason to be optimistic in that front that would be normal.
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Post#22 » by Super_Mike » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:31 pm

He shouldn't be on there anyway. Elfrid Payton and Jeremy Lin got shafted, but not MCW.
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Post#23 » by TigerInYourTank » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:21 am

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frosty23 wrote:Trey Burke over MCW is CRAZYYYYYY. Also, I would put him above Augustin, Jack, and Mo-Will. Those 3 are really good back-ups.


MCW is definitely better than Burke, and probably better than Mo-Will.


Guessing you haven't caught many CHA games lately. Mo Will's been putting up 19/7 since he came there (.535. true shooting, PER over 18), showing poise and vet leadership and really helping them win. Probably their best player at the moment. He's not awesome and doesn't deserve big praise, but he's much improved from his low point a few years ago. Easily a better player at the moment than MCW.


You're right, I haven't really caught many CHA games. Sounds like MoWill is having a good stretch.
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Post#24 » by Dcebucks11 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:29 am

Yup he sucks, but not the reason the Bucks have lost games. Bucks starters have actually been playing great, bench has sucked. they flipped roles.
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Post#25 » by TigerInYourTank » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:36 am

loserX wrote:How exactly are the points scored? Just curious, as they're sort of linear-ish (apart from the Curry-Paul gap, almost everyone is within 25 or so points of the next player) until they fall off a cliff after Brandon Knight.


The execs ranked their players from 1-30, and the points are just those rankings inverted (1=30,2=29,etc). So, Westbrook's average ranking was (30-732/29)=~4.76
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Post#26 » by TigerInYourTank » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:38 am

Dcebucks11 wrote:Yup he sucks, but not the reason the Bucks have lost games. Bucks starters have actually been playing great, bench has sucked. they flipped roles.


I've been wondering about that. So, Knight was traded because he was making the teams' stars worse, relative to how they were playing with Middleton, right? Middleton came off the bench more when Knight was traded? Now Middleton's value has boosted the starters but depleted the bench, or something?
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Post#27 » by dakim » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:02 am

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Dcebucks11 wrote:Yup he sucks, but not the reason the Bucks have lost games. Bucks starters have actually been playing great, bench has sucked. they flipped roles.


I've been wondering about that. So, Knight was traded because he was making the teams' stars worse, relative to how they were playing with Middleton, right? Middleton came off the bench more when Knight was traded? Now Middleton's value has boosted the starters but depleted the bench, or something?


More like Bayless, Mayo and Dudley falling off a cliff.
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Post#28 » by Nowak008 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:08 am

This is how I'd rank the top 30 pg's:

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2-30 who cares
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Post#29 » by AussieBuck » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:33 am

Nowak008 wrote:This is how I'd rank the top 30 pg's:

#1 - See sig
2-30 who cares

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Post#30 » by laika » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:30 pm

Here are the RPM rankings, which I think are more accurate.

-Curry is the best PG and it isn't close.
-Parker is insanely overrated. Has been better lately but overall awful this year.
-Overrated- Rondo, Rose.
-Underrated- Hill, Collison, Jennings, Holiday, Rubio, Bledsoe, Thomas.
-Don't belong in top 30- Augustin, Jack, Burke.
-Belong in top 30 instead- Payton, Lin, Bradley.

1. Russell Westbrook 6.8
2. Stephen Curry 8.9
3. Chris Paul 6.6
4. Kyrie Irving 4.0
5. Damian Lillard 5.0
6. John Wall 5.0
7. Mike Conley 2.5
8. Kyle Lowry 4.8
9. Tony Parker -4.3
10. Jeff Teague 2.5
11. Derrick Rose .2
12. Goran Dragic -.3
13. Eric Bledsoe 3.6
14. Ty Lawson 1.3
15. Rajon Rondo -1.7
16. Kemba Walker -.7
17. Ricky Rubio 2.3
18. Jrue Holiday 2.8
19. Reggie Jackson -.8
20. Deron Williams 1.1
21. Brandon Jennings 2.0
22. George Hill 2.8
23. Darren Collison 2.0
24. Brandon Knight -2.8
25. Isaiah Thomas 1.2
26. Patrick Beverley -1.0
27. D.J. Augustin -3.1
28. Jarrett Jack -4.6
29. Mo Williams -1.1
30. Trey Burke -2.8

Not ranked-
Payton 1.7
Lin .7
Bradley .1
MCW -2.8
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Post#31 » by Sign5 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:06 pm

I think Dragic is a tad bit underrated. Dude is averaging 17ppg 6 and 4 53% FG 60% ts since he's been on the Heat. There isn't another PG who produces such efficiency.
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Post#32 » by TONYROMOHOF » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:11 pm

Kevin Johnson wrote:MCW is not as good as a lot of 2nd string point guards. He's rated higher because of his potential and physical attributes.

But if you're a good playoffs team and you had to choose between MCW and these 2nd string point guards for only THIS playoff run - you'd never choose MCW:

Dennis Shroeder, Mo Williams, Patty Mills, DJ Augustin, Andre Miller, Shaun Livingston, midget Chicago PG, Jeremy Lin, etc, etc.


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Lin?

This is pure hate at this point
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Post#33 » by machu46 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:23 pm

I'd like to think MCW should be in the top 30. It depends on if you factor in potential though.

But I damn sure know that he's better than Burke. I seriously can't believe Burke received one vote, much less 32.
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Post#34 » by dautjazz » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:22 pm

He's probably in the 25-30 range. Still, is it that big a deal?
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Post#35 » by The_Didact_117 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:58 pm

I'd rather have MCW than Rondo at this point. Rondo has look terrible all season
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Post#36 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:07 pm

Tyreke Evans didn't even make the top 30? Wow!
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Post#37 » by PDX_DL0 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:11 pm

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frosty23 wrote:Trey Burke over MCW is CRAZYYYYYY. Also, I would put him above Augustin, Jack, and Mo-Will. Those 3 are really good back-ups.


MCW is definitely better than Burke, and probably better than Mo-Will.


Guessing you haven't caught many CHA games lately. Mo Will's been putting up 19/7 since he came there (.535. true shooting, PER over 18), showing poise and vet leadership and really helping them win. Probably their best player at the moment. He's not awesome and doesn't deserve big praise, but he's much improved from his low point a few years ago. Easily a better player at the moment than MCW.


This ^^^^^ Mo Will is beasting since his trade and is still productive with Walker. I follow both closely since I have em in fantasy. MCW is turnover prone and a terrible shooter from everywhere on the court.
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Post#38 » by HotelVitale » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:30 pm

Scalabrine wrote: Heres my justification though. Hes an all around talent (other than his jumpshot). He is very big for his position, which makes him easily parable with smaller 2 guards or score first point guards.

If you've watched him you now that in practice he actually has one talent: being big and athletic enough to charge to the basket and force something. He's a weak facilitator--no vision in the half court--and just not a good offensive player overall. There also seems to be a myth he's good on D (I guess because of high steal and d reb rates), but he's a bad team defender and has trouble staying in front of guys. He needs to fix a lot of habits and get some serious coaching before he's a versatile threat and do more than race out in transition.

Scalabrine wrote: Ish Smith and Canaan being "at least as good" as MCW?

As the numbers show, Smith and Canaan shoot less, shoot a little better, and tunr the ball over less. More importantly, both guys (especially Ish) make the guys around them better and more confident. Canaan spreads the floor really well and probes the defense, and Ish is great at finding his guys. He's been a big reason why Nerlens Noel's offense has picked up of late, and he's clearly helped raise the confidence of some of the younger guys.

Even if it's too close tot ell, that's the whole point: these guys aren't even good. They're just decent players who know how to play but aren't great at it, and it's not a good sign when replacement level players look at least as good as you on the court.

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