Great Value/Awful contracts of free agency so far

DaddyCool19 · Post #41 » by **DaddyCool19** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 10:01 pm

Good: Middleton, Green, Davis, Love, Leonard will be good
Okay: Dragic, Amir Johnson (would be good if it was a 2/20M contract), Aminu
Bad: Chandler, Carroll, Singler (too long), Knight

Jadoogar · Post #42 » by **Jadoogar** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 10:14 pm

even as a Raptors' fan, Demarre Carroll contract is pretty bad. I like him as a player but that's too much money for a role player (yes i know the cap is going up) who may not be as good outside the Hawks system.

Danny Green is a steal but it's a bit unfair to evaluate his deal because he gave the Spurs a hometown discount to let them sign LMA.

Dupp · Post #43 » by **Dupp** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 10:35 pm

Agree on Cavs. Love is a bargain and TT is getting overpaid

Jon1798 · Post #44 » by **Jon1798** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 10:40 pm

Ajinca is a great deal IMO. One I never thought would happen.

cbk41 · Post #45 » by **cbk41** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:10 pm

No one thinks the Thad Young contract is pretty bad?

Nuggets_Talk · Post #46 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:17 pm

BudenFerry wrote:I say the Hawks getting Tiago Splitter for 2 years 16.75 million is one of the best deals of the day.

Everybody is getting overpaid this year.

Was splitter a free agent?

Rich Michmond · Post #47 » by **Rich Michmond** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:18 pm

Brendan Wright is a massive steal.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #48 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:20 pm

Sky Bucks wrote:Middleton has been one of the best signings of the day. Easily could have gotten the max but instead is at 14 mil per year. After the cap increases, however, that is comparable to a 10 mil per year in today's dollars.

Says the Bucks fan

Bernman · Post #49 » by **Bernman** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:31 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Sky Bucks wrote:Middleton has been one of the best signings of the day. Easily could have gotten the max but instead is at 14 mil per year. After the cap increases, however, that is comparable to a 10 mil per year in today's dollars.

Says the Bucks fan

Says many non Bucks' fans too, which you would have seen if you didn't have selective vision.

pelifan · Post #50 » by **pelifan** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:33 pm

cbk41 wrote:No one thinks the Thad Young contract is pretty bad?

Nets apparently don't operate under the same CBA as the rest of the league, so you cant pass judgement.

dolphinatik · Post #51 » by **dolphinatik** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:36 pm

Goran Dragic and Deng deal were bargains for the Heat considering Heat didnt have many alternative options

tooler · Post #52 » by **tooler** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:50 pm

dolphinatik wrote:Goran Dragic and Deng deal were bargains for the Heat considering Heat didnt have many alternative options

That's not what bargain means.

Agenda42 · Post #53 » by **Agenda42** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 12:15 am

Iman Shumpert $40M/4 seems like an impressive amount of money for a career 11 PER.

Dupp · Post #54 » by **Dupp** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 12:19 am

Very happy to pay Shump 10 per

Dan Z · Post #55 » by **Dan Z** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 1:05 am

Han Solo wrote:Jerebko = Steal

Will he get much playing time? The Celtics also signed Amir Johnson for $24 million (not a good deal IMO) and still have Sullinger on the roster.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #56 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 2:40 am

Ambrose wrote:Middleton was a steal. Locked up until he's 28 for 14 million per year. He's one of the best young 3 and D players in the league and looks like he's only going to improve. His deal is going to look like an absolute bargain by next season.

seems obvious but how the eff did we not go for this guy instead of carroll.

username_taken · Post #57 » by **username_taken** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:22 pm

Dan Z wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Jerebko = Steal

Will he get much playing time? The Celtics also signed Amir Johnson for $24 million (not a good deal IMO) and still have Sullinger on the roster.

Jerebko and Amir's second years aren't guaranteed, it's basically a 1 year/5 mil deal for Jerebko, 1/12 for Johnson. I agree that it is kinda confusing that Sully is still on the roster, but a trade could be coming. I think the AAV for Amir is too high, but Ainge likely had to do it to get that unguaranteed second year which can be a trade chip (a la Brendan Haywood) or instant cap space for 2016 FAs if he's waived.

Dan Z · Post #58 » by **Dan Z** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:45 pm

username_taken wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Jerebko = Steal

Will he get much playing time? The Celtics also signed Amir Johnson for $24 million (not a good deal IMO) and still have Sullinger on the roster.

Jerebko and Amir's second years aren't guaranteed, it's basically a 1 year/5 mil deal for Jerebko, 1/12 for Johnson. I agree that it is kinda confusing that Sully is still on the roster, but a trade could be coming. I think the AAV for Amir is too high, but Ainge likely had to do it to get that unguaranteed second year which can be a trade chip (a la Brendan Haywood) or instant cap space for 2016 FAs if he's waived.

Now that I know that (and knowing is half the battle) those deals aren't bad. It makes a huge difference that the 2nd years aren't guaranteed.

Lolo · Post #59 » by **Lolo** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:07 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Sky Bucks wrote:Middleton has been one of the best signings of the day. Easily could have gotten the max but instead is at 14 mil per year. After the cap increases, however, that is comparable to a 10 mil per year in today's dollars.

Says the Bucks fan

As a Bulls fan, I agree. Middleton for under the max is a great deal.

nickr91 · Post #60 » by **nickr91** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 12:28 am

tmorgan wrote:
nickr91 wrote:For those who think demare Carroll is an overpay.. Care to explain why?

Sure, here's my thinking:

I've been preaching the high contract market for six months now... maxes for Middleton, Green, etc... but this particular contract is excessive, even in this economic environment.

Yeah, he's a solid defender, but he's only been a starter for two years, averaging 12 points, 5.5 boards, 1.7 assists, 1.4 steals in just under 32 minutes a game. Low turnovers, but that's because he doesn't create anything off the dribble at all, just shots and quick movement offense passes. He's also a month from turning 29, and while he was a very good 3p% shooter last year (39.5%), he only shot 70.2% from the line. That's not a 9 million dollar player under last year's cap, which is what 15 million will be in two years. He's majorly overpaid this year, somewhat overpaid next year, and still not a bargain once the cap settles -- and that's assuming he's just as good and efficient as he is now as he ages and plays for an inferior coach and team.

Really bad contract, and I won't say that very often this off-season. Danny Green was a freaking steal in comparison. Just goes to show what a good performance in the playoffs will get you.

So you actually think that one of the best 3 & D wings is not worth 9 million dollars on last years cap?! its nice to trot out box core stats without paying any attention to the things he does well. Hes an excellent defender with good size for the wing, hes drastically improved his 3 point shot and was actually elite last year. Couple that with his elite off ball play, especially cutting and getting open for shots. i think its a great signing that complements Demar and Kyle really well.