Can someone explain "empty stats" to me?

Cyrusman122000 · Post #1 » by **Cyrusman122000** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:19 am

I've seen the term "empty stats" thrown around somewhat often here in real GM, and more times than not it's centered around 3 specific big men (Al Jefferson, Kevin Love, and Greg Monroe). What exactly is the whole empty stats? Cause those guys consistently put up double doubles and I just don't see how that can be "empty" or not hold value.

Post #2 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:21 am

Imagine not boxing out your man and just trying to grab the rebound.

Basically, ignoring the little things that help a team win and only doing the things that show up in the box score.

joedumars1 · Post #3 » by **joedumars1** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:22 am

MCW on the 6ers.

It has to do with players on not so good of teams putting up good numbers for them teams, but when they go to a better team, they don't look like the same player, well that is my thoughts on it

Post #4 » by **QUIZ** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:23 am

Stats that look good on paper but don't actually contribute towards winning.

Kevin Johnson · Post #5 » by **Kevin Johnson** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:27 am

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RSCD3_ · Post #6 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:30 am

Jerry Stackhouse

druggas · Post #7 » by **druggas** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:31 am

No such thing.

Post #8 » by **og15** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:34 am

qjz123 wrote:Stats that look good on paper but don't actually contribute towards winning.

This.

Of course then it doesn't really apply to Kevin Love because his stats on Minnesota did contribute to winning.

20 PPG but takes 19 FGA. The 20 PPG suggests they are impacting the game offensively at a high level, but when you look at the efficiency, doesn't seem like much. Defensively it could be like a guy who has length and athleticism and gets 2 BPG but goal-tends half the time, plays poor pick and roll defense and is actually generally lost on defense. The BPG suggests defensive impact when they are actually bad.

Sometimes though, people just use empty stats to mean a player who produces on a team that doesn't win, or that doesn't make the playoffs, which of course is quite faulty and inconsistent as an argument in itself

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Imagine not boxing out your man and just trying to grab the rebound.

Basically, ignoring the little things that help a team win and only doing the things that show up in the box score.

That's like half the big men in the league

tiderulz · Post #9 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:35 am

to me, its volume shooting on a bad team. 20ppg+ but on 18-20 shots because the team is bad and has no one else to take shots is empty stats to me

wowski · Post #10 » by **wowski** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:35 am

Passing up on an open layup to get an assist.

getting 2 or more steals a game by gambling on defense often.

blackholes

ball stoppers

yoyoboy · Post #11 » by **yoyoboy** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:35 am

Well supposedly Kevin Love was the king of these empty stats in Minnesota, despite the fact that he carried that team to 40 wins in a brutal West last year and, by the looks of his numbers and advanced stats, was the only reason why they weren't fighting for the number one pick.

Ben-N1ce · Post #12 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:40 am

wowski wrote:Passing up on an open layup to get an assist.

getting 2 or more steals a game by gambling on defense often.

blackholes

ball stoppers

Why you hating on Rondo?

Post #13 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:43 am

Most accusations of empty stats is how people try to explain a guy that has great stats, but is on a bad team. Because as we all know, a good player can never just have a bad supporting cast, it has to be somehow, someway, at least kind of his fault to explain away why other teams win more.

Dmanning2 · Post #14 » by **Dmanning2** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:49 am

IMO empty stats can only be determined by the eye test. You got guys on bad teams who score a lot of their points in transition most of their points coming from inside the paint. No half court offensive game to speak of. Like Tony Wroten and KJ McDaniels

Then you got guys like Jordan Clarkson/Wiggins/Oladipo who actually shot a respectable FG & have a offensive repertoire.

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ect ect

theforumblue · Post #15 » by **theforumblue** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 1:52 am

not making the "big" or timely plays to stop other team's momentum and end up getting your stats when the game is pretty much already out of hand.

other team already ran away from you early by going on a 15-2 run, and you didn't do much scoring or defending to stem the tide at the time, and the rest of the game you score at a decent clip to get your 20+ but other team was already on cruise control anyways.

or if you play decent and put up some numbers, but when push come to shove you aren't that "next level" guy who can put a team on his shoulders for few minutes to either push for a win or answer the other team's push. not frequently enough, anyways.

it's not exactly a fair thing to say. points are points etc. just because some of these aren't top tier franchise guys who can finish games on their own sometimes and whatnot they get a bum rap.

except boozer. empty stat king.

Post #16 » by **Goudelock** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 2:00 am

For me, empty stats is when a player tries to pad his totals at the end of blowouts.

ohio · Post #17 » by **ohio** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 2:01 am

theforumblue wrote:not making the "big" or timely plays to stop other team's momentum and end up getting your stats when the game is pretty much already out of hand.

other team already ran away from you early by going on a 15-2 run, and you didn't do much scoring or defending to stem the tide at the time, and the rest of the game you score at a decent clip to get your 20+ but other team was already on cruise control anyways.

or if you play decent and put up some numbers, but when push come to shove you aren't that "next level" guy who can put a team on his shoulders for few minutes to either push for a win or answer the other team's push. not frequently enough, anyways.

it's not exactly a fair thing to say. points are points etc. just because some of these aren't top tier franchise guys who can finish games on their own sometimes and whatnot they get a bum rap.

except boozer. empty stat king.

I always seen drew gooden as an empty stats king.

83SixersRocked · Post #18 » by **83SixersRocked** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 2:08 am

It's a way to make a player you don't 'like' appear irrelevant.

immortalone23 · Post #19 » by **immortalone23** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 2:16 am

Gambling for steals like Rondo.

juice4080 · Post #20 » by **juice4080** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 2:20 am

yoyoboy wrote:Well supposedly Kevin Love was the king of these empty stats in Minnesota, despite the fact that he carried that team to 40 wins in a brutal West last year and, by the looks of his numbers and advanced stats, was the only reason why they weren't fighting for the number one pick.

and he his indeed the king of empty stats...if he was truly as great as his stats suggested his team would make the playoff at least if not being a contender....very few players has ever averaged 26-12-4 for a single season and i suspect every one of them were championship contenders