Sophomore Impressions 2016-17

IAmTheBest · Post #341 » by **IAmTheBest** » Fri Dec 2, 2016 6:27 pm

suka2000 wrote:KP didn't block KAT on that attempt

The rim should get the block

how about this one at 4:06 then?

Patsfan1081 · Post #342 » by **Patsfan1081** » Fri Dec 2, 2016 7:13 pm

Not a Rockets fan but did watch the game last night and both Harrel and Decker had pretty good nights, almost two double doubles. Was wondering if Decker's game would translate to the pros and he seems to be catching on. Just a change of pace from all this dirty Porzingis love....

Veyron · Post #343 » by **Veyron** » Sat Dec 3, 2016 11:55 am

Many of the Sophomores played better last year as rookies then now in their second year.

Johnlac1 · Post #344 » by **Johnlac1** » Sun Dec 4, 2016 3:54 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:Not a Rockets fan but did watch the game last night and both Harrel and Decker had pretty good nights, almost two double doubles. Was wondering if Decker's game would translate to the pros and he seems to be catching on. Just a change of pace from all this dirty Porzingis love....

I'm a huge Badgers fan. Dekker was forecast as being a big scorer immediately. He had a good outside shot during his senior year in HS and frosh year at Wisc. Then although he became a very good player the following years, his outside shot got worse. Kaminsky overtook him as the main man. His, Dekker's, outside shot was off and on his senior year, and he missed all 6 of his three ball attempts in the championship game against Duke. But without Dekker, the Badgers don't get to the title game.
Now watching him with the Rockets his outside shot looks a lot better. He missed virtually all of last season with a back problem but looks healthy now. The athleticism was always there, and he never lacked for confidence. Now if he's solved his outside shooting problem he can have a pretty good pro career.

Post #345 » by **Mr. E** » Mon Dec 5, 2016 7:16 am

I was curious what people thought about Dekker & Harrell, and look at what's being discussed on this page!

I think that both guys have a lot of potential, and that they will be guys who will be around the League for a long time. What is really cool with both of them is that they seem to be early in their stages of development. I like that they are taking advantage of the opportunities afforded them.

Johnny Firpo · Post #346 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Mon Dec 5, 2016 10:12 am

I like Dekker's game, I think he has borderline All-Star potential.

Post #347 » by **Slava** » Mon Dec 5, 2016 1:27 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:I like Dekker's game, I think he has borderline All-Star potential.

I think we should stop anointing every seasoned college player who contributes positively in his NBA rookie season as a potential all star. Dekker is a valuable player but to be an all star forward in the Western conference, you have to be like a LOT better because he will be competing against the likes of KD, Draymond, Griffin and Aldridge just to name a few.

Johnny Firpo · Post #348 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Mon Dec 5, 2016 1:45 pm

Slava wrote:I think we should stop anointing every seasoned college player who contributes positively in his NBA rookie season as a potential all star. Dekker is a valuable player but to be an all star forward in the Western conference, you have to be like a LOT better because he will be competing against the likes of KD, Draymond, Griffin and Aldridge just to name a few.

I did not anoint him an All-Star. There is a vast difference between All-Star talents and borderline All-Star talents, and I think that is his max potential. I like his athleticism and shot, those are pretty rare in 6'9 and above players. There is a reason he was almost a lottery pick. I think he could average 18/7/3 one day, on good efficiency. That would be a borderline All-Star statline.

Veez · Post #349 » by **Veez** » Mon Dec 5, 2016 5:25 pm

^draymond aint no all star. lol.

Promezclan · Post #350 » by **Promezclan** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:18 am

The sophomores managing 20 mpg is starting to be trimmed a bit. Jokic and Turner are making a resurgence, while Porzingis is starting to lose some efficiency, and Okafor has finally entered the fray, with a good chance to hit the top 5 soon.

RaptorsLife · Post #351 » by **RaptorsLife** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:30 am

norman powell is averging 15/4/3 as a starter in 7 games. his 3 ball in money now and so expolsive. his defense is still legit. dude either starts or gets a dnp or plays 5 in garbage time... he is gonna be stud. gonna be pissed when a team like brooklyn throws a max at him next year lol

Post #352 » by **Slava** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:47 am

Promezclan wrote:The sophomores managing 20 mpg is starting to be trimmed a bit. Jokic and Turner are making a resurgence, while Porzingis is starting to lose some efficiency, and Okafor has finally entered the fray, with a good chance to hit the top 5 soon.

Why is Exum on the list?

guille_4 · Post #353 » by **guille_4** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:54 am

Slava wrote:
Promezclan wrote:The sophomores managing 20 mpg is starting to be trimmed a bit. Jokic and Turner are making a resurgence, while Porzingis is starting to lose some efficiency, and Okafor has finally entered the fray, with a good chance to hit the top 5 soon.

Why is Exum on the list?

He didn't play at all last season, so games-wise, this is his second season.

lobosloboslobos · Post #354 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:14 pm

RaptorsLife wrote:norman powell is averging 15/4/3 as a starter in 7 games. his 3 ball in money now and so expolsive. his defense is still legit. dude either starts or gets a dnp or plays 5 in garbage time... he is gonna be stud. gonna be pissed when a team like brooklyn throws a max at him next year lol

Yep. For a guy who has a hard time getting minutes he looks like a tough seasoned pro at both ends every time he gets on the floor. Gonna be a very good player in this league for a long time.

Watch on YouTube

Berserk_Raptor · Post #355 » by **Berserk_Raptor** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:46 pm

Norman is shining is a top team, just imagine if he plays for a garbage team, hed put great numbers.

Post #356 » by **Klomp** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:47 pm

The numbers for Towns so far this season are interesting. Most of the numbers are similar to what he put up last year. He's taking a few more shots but his shooting is down slightly. He's replaced the long 2s with more 3s and more getting to the basket (over 1/3 of his shots last year were long 2s and this year is under 20%). And he's getting to the line more, but his percentage there has dropped some too. Outside of shooting his numbers are pretty similar too.

He's been rebounding on a tear lately, averaging 14.4 over the last 9 games including five games with 15+ in that stretch. He already has four games with 18 rebounds this season. His rebounding combined with his scoring is putting him in more elite company.

He doesn't turn 22 until mid-November, so it will be interesting to see how close Towns can get to Shaq in that time.

phanman · Post #357 » by **phanman** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:30 pm

Both Zinger and Kat are clearly at the top of their draft class but I am curious to see what you guys think of the other bigs that were apart of the draft. Has Okafor lost that position with the lack of big time minutes in Philly? How do you rank the next 3

Some stats this year:

Okafor - 11pts/5reb/1ast/0.4stl/1.2blk on 51/0/61 in 23mpg with 9.3FGA

Turner - 15pts/7.3reb/1ast/0.6stl/2.4blk on 53/38/80 in 29.5mpg with 10.7FGA

Jokic - 11.5pts/7.5reb/3.2ast/0.6stl/0.6blk on 57/28/80 in 24mpg with 8.1FGA

Personally I think Okafor has dropped below the other two guys. Turner is an absolute stud of the 3.

mcmurphy · Post #358 » by **mcmurphy** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:19 pm

phanman wrote:Both Zinger and Kat are clearly at the top of their draft class but I am curious to see what you guys think of the other bigs that were apart of the draft. Has Okafor lost that position with the lack of big time minutes in Philly? How do you rank the next 3

Some stats this year:

Okafor - 11pts/5reb/1ast/0.4stl/1.2blk on 51/0/61 in 23mpg with 9.3FGA

Turner - 15pts/7.3reb/1ast/0.6stl/2.4blk on 53/38/80 in 29.5mpg with 10.7FGA

Jokic - 11.5pts/7.5reb/3.2ast/0.6stl/0.6blk on 57/28/80 in 24mpg with 8.1FGA

Personally I think Okafor has dropped below the other two guys. Turner is an absolute stud of the 3.

First 8 games of season Jokic has played out position as PF experimenting the double tower with Nurkic.

Since 11/12/2016 as C:
12.3pts/8.0reb/3.8ast/0.3stl/0.7blk on 61/36/83 (ts% 66.5) in 24.4mpg with 8.1FGA

Last 10 games increasing the usage:
16.1pts/9.8reb/4.0ast/0.3stl/0.7blk on 66/33/86 (ts% 71.6) in 25.5mpg with 9.7FGA

Kabookalu · Post #359 » by **Kabookalu** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:28 pm

Granted it's not a lot of footage, but from what I've seen of Okafor, I'm actually impressed by his defense. He's not elite, but he's much better at it than what people say of it. He's not that bad defending the perimeter, and as far as interior protection goes, players are shooting slightly worse when Okafor contests the shot.

I'm pretty sure all the advanced metrics paint him to be a horrible defender, but they have a unique situation going on over there in Philly. They're starting 2 centers, and all their perimeter defenders are awful. Give him his own team and I can see him thriving as a defender.

phanman · Post #360 » by **phanman** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:48 pm

mcmurphy wrote:
First 8 games of season Jokic has played out position as PF experimenting the double tower with Nurkic.

Since 11/12/2016 as C:
12.3pts/8.0reb/3.8ast/0.3stl/0.7blk on 61/36/83 (ts% 66.5) in 24.4mpg with 8.1FGA

Last 10 games increasing the usage:
16.1pts/9.8reb/4.0ast/0.3stl/0.7blk on 66/33/86 (ts% 71.6) in 25.5mpg with 9.7FGA

Yeah I think Jokic is a hell of a player man. I used to always get him and Nurkic mixed up :lol:

Is it a luxury to have Nurkic on the team or does he realistically just take away minutes from Jokic? Looking at the roster with Faried, Gallo and Chandler all capable of playing the 4, do you think he could have handle the extra minutes?