Pachinko_ wrote:Hari, do you agree with me that the quality of the teams in Europe 10-20 years ago was better than now?
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Pachinko_ wrote:Hari, do you agree with me that the quality of the teams in Europe 10-20 years ago was better than now?
har13 wrote:Pachinko_ wrote:Hari, do you agree with me that the quality of the teams in Europe 10-20 years ago was better than now?
100%
Pachinko_ wrote:har13 wrote:Pachinko_ wrote:Hari, do you agree with me that the quality of the teams in Europe 10-20 years ago was better than now?
100%
thank god brother, I thought I was going nuts
do you remember the 1989-92 Jugoplastika (pop-84) by any chance?
dont you think they would easily beat any of those scrubs in last year's final-4?
Pachinko_ wrote:har13 wrote:Pachinko_ wrote:Hari, do you agree with me that the quality of the teams in Europe 10-20 years ago was better than now?
100%
thank god brother, I thought I was going nuts
do you remember the 1989-92 Jugoplastika (pop-84) by any chance?
dont you think they would easily beat any of those scrubs in last year's final-4?
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TheTrooper wrote:Pachinko_ wrote:har13 wrote:100%
thank god brother, I thought I was going nuts
do you remember the 1989-92 Jugoplastika (pop-84) by any chance?
dont you think they would easily beat any of those scrubs in last year's final-4?
In the 90's NBA teams won all 15 games against Euroleague teams.
In the 2000's European teams won 5 out of 37 games.
In the 2010's European teams won 7 out of 26 games.
Those teams were more top heavy, but not better overall. Also there is this romanticized version of the past that everyone wants to remember. Looking at things with pink glasses.
Im not saying that the Euroleague is better now, but it's certainly not worse than it was.
UcanUwill wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:What sort of passports do those Americans have? I said before that Americans are restricted by paperwork, some actually get the right paperwork over time, but few Americans are born with the correct paperwork like dual citizenship in a Bosman country. If you look at the Euroleague team rosters, they always have 5 or so players native to the country the team is located in. That's a welfare like set aside system that is being run. This Euro League team in Germany named Brose Bamberg has 1 American and 7 Germans. There have probably never been 7 Germans in the history of the NBA, but there are 7 on the roster of a German Euro League team at one time?
Team like Bamberg simply can't afford a better roster. And when you assembling a team, and you can only afford mediocre talent, you might as well do it with domestics. If there weren't that level German players, you would see internationals. But there are, so here you go. If you suggesting, that Bamberg can afford a better team, but is restricted by that rule you can't stop talking about, its simply not true, its an absolutely absurd idea. We already talked about this, it's novelty for the most part, teams do not buy Internationals to be bench warmers, when they can just buy domestics.
We still have examples where domestic talent is not good enough. Russia and Israel for example. Maccabi and CSKA is filled with Internationals, because they don't have good domestic options. Bamberg would do too if it had that budget.
First time I hear paperwork is the problem for American basketball player to get an Euro job.
Pachinko_ wrote:have you watched that Jugoplastika team play at all? I think there's a couple of youtubes somewhere
every single player with significant minutes on that team went ahead to become a leader either in the NBA or in top European teams
har13 wrote:TheTrooper wrote:Pachinko_ wrote:thank god brother, I thought I was going nuts
do you remember the 1989-92 Jugoplastika (pop-84) by any chance?
dont you think they would easily beat any of those scrubs in last year's final-4?
In the 90's NBA teams won all 15 games against Euroleague teams.
In the 2000's European teams won 5 out of 37 games.
In the 2010's European teams won 7 out of 26 games.
Those teams were more top heavy, but not better overall. Also there is this romanticized version of the past that everyone wants to remember. Looking at things with pink glasses.
Im not saying that the Euroleague is better now, but it's certainly not worse than it was.
he said tha last 10-20 years,in 80-90s teams could use only 1 or 2 non domestic players,and sorry but if you believe Alba for example is a good team because they won a friendly match against an Nba team we disagree
djw wrote:Euroleague doesn't have any restriction regarding the amount of "foreigner" (what is considered a foreigner in an Euroleague context).
TheTrooper wrote:har13 wrote:TheTrooper wrote:In the 90's NBA teams won all 15 games against Euroleague teams.
In the 2000's European teams won 5 out of 37 games.
In the 2010's European teams won 7 out of 26 games.
Those teams were more top heavy, but not better overall. Also there is this romanticized version of the past that everyone wants to remember. Looking at things with pink glasses.
Im not saying that the Euroleague is better now, but it's certainly not worse than it was.
he said tha last 10-20 years,in 80-90s teams could use only 1 or 2 non domestic players,and sorry but if you believe Alba for example is a good team because they won a friendly match against an Nba team we disagree
90's and 2000's are in the time span of the last 10-20 years. Do the math
Pachinko_ wrote:djw wrote:Euroleague doesn't have any restriction regarding the amount of "foreigner" (what is considered a foreigner in an Euroleague context).
Euroleague doesnt, but many national basketball federations within Europe do.
I posted a list a few posts back
SelfishPlayer wrote:The first two ever Euro League MVP's were won by an American player by the name of Anthony Parker. No US player has ever won a Euro League MVP again. There are players at the top of the D League, the bottom of NBA rosters, and in other non NBA leagues that could win the Euro League MVP if it were simpler to qualify for roster spots. I believe that Jimmer Fredette would win Euro league MVP. A guy like Nik Stauskas would contend for it as well. A guy like Channing Frye would rule the Euro League!
SelfishPlayer wrote:I believe that it's a lie that D league players are there waiting for their NBA opportunity. I believe that they are there waiting for a pro opportunity. How many D League players have you heard turn down a contract from a Euroleague team in order to wait around for an NBA 10 day contract? I believe that Euro League contracts would be more plentiful for top D League players if those Euro league rosters didn't have restrictions on the type and number of foreign players. Top D League players take contracts to play in places like Australia and Venezuela all of the time. Why? It's because of the roster restrictions. It limits the talent of the European leagues. These US players have to jump through hoops to get on these rosters as anything other than like 2 slots reserved for foreigners with the qualifications the average US citizen has. That's not enough.
Pachinko_ wrote:there are different limits in different countries
I know Greece currently allows max 6 foreign players (but only up to 4 can be from non-EU countries)
Theres a list here, a bit outdated though:
http://www.interbasket.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-13784.html
TheTrooper wrote:In the 90's NBA teams won all 15 games against Euroleague teams.
In the 2000's European teams won 5 out of 37 games.
In the 2010's European teams won 7 out of 26 games.
Those teams were more top heavy, but not better overall. Also there is this romanticized version of the past that everyone wants to remember. Looking at things with pink glasses.
Im not saying that the Euroleague is better now, but it's certainly not worse than it was.
SelfishPlayer wrote:The Mavs won playoff games without Luka
jptremblay wrote:Some of you are understimating the popularity of Basketball outside the US. I'm sure that if we make a global poll, after soccer, basketball will be the 2nd most popular sport.
SelfishPlayer wrote:Mirotic12 never produces what passports these "Americans" have. We know they are Americans, but we do not know how they count against the rosters. Do they count against the rosters as Americans, or do they count against the roster as a passport carrier of an EU/Bosman nation? There are some American players that took the time to get second passports. They do not count against foreign rosters in the 2 roster spots set aside for players that have similar passports to Americans ie. Non EU/Non Bosman nations.