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NBARocks wrote:their problem stems mainly from Wiggins being a one-dimensional inefficient scorer. take Wiggins off the starting line-up, put Shabazz in for him, don't let Lavine bring down the ball, let Rubio do the facilitating and tell him to feed KAT or Lavine.
chrisab123 wrote:"I member" the Baby Bulls. A team that on paper had a good amount of young talent. Not at the level of a KT Dunn Wiggins or LaVine but good amount. What doomed that team is no leadership. Combine that with Thibs who loves defense first and you can see where the disconnect would be. LaVine never would have been drafted under Thibs. He's just an awful fit. A good trade partner would be a team like Boston which is no offense all defense oriented. Orlando as well. I can only imagine what Thibs could do with Aaron Gordon.
spursscott wrote:chrisab123 wrote:"I member" the Baby Bulls. A team that on paper had a good amount of young talent. Not at the level of a KT Dunn Wiggins or LaVine but good amount. What doomed that team is no leadership. Combine that with Thibs who loves defense first and you can see where the disconnect would be. LaVine never would have been drafted under Thibs. He's just an awful fit. A good trade partner would be a team like Boston which is no offense all defense oriented. Orlando as well. I can only imagine what Thibs could do with Aaron Gordon.
lol what?
chrisab123 wrote:NBARocks wrote:their problem stems mainly from Wiggins being a one-dimensional inefficient scorer. take Wiggins off the starting line-up, put Shabazz in for him, don't let Lavine bring down the ball, let Rubio do the facilitating and tell him to feed KAT or Lavine.
I personally like Wiggins. He could easily become Rudy Gay but I think hes going to be better. If the Wolves don't want him there is a team in Boston that would gladly take him!
NBARocks wrote:chrisab123 wrote:NBARocks wrote:their problem stems mainly from Wiggins being a one-dimensional inefficient scorer. take Wiggins off the starting line-up, put Shabazz in for him, don't let Lavine bring down the ball, let Rubio do the facilitating and tell him to feed KAT or Lavine.
I personally like Wiggins. He could easily become Rudy Gay but I think hes going to be better. If the Wolves don't want him there is a team in Boston that would gladly take him!
wow. so you'll willingly trade Thomas and Crowder for him? deal!
Zeitgeister wrote:Milbuck wrote:Yeah, the crappy bench argument is pretty clear now. I really liked what I saw from Bjelica last year, Aldrich on the Clippers, and Dunn was supposed to be at least somewhat ready offensively. That's three guys who on paper should be really really solid depth this year and they're not bringing it. Shabazz has regressed hard and straight up kinda sucks. Basically the only guy who has exceeded expectations is Tyus, and as much as I like Tyus, if he's your most promising bench piece you have problems.
The defense is an absolute mystery to me though. I have no idea how a Tom Thibodeau coached team could be so weak defensively.
You're basically asking Thibs to be Hakeem. The Wolves were the 28th ranked defense last year and that's with the Kevin Garnett lineup that was absolutely dominant defensively. This year the defense is ranked 23rd. So it has taken a noticeable step forward, but they are still bad. You need good defenders on the court and the young guys aren't there yet.
Milbuck wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:Milbuck wrote:Yeah, the crappy bench argument is pretty clear now. I really liked what I saw from Bjelica last year, Aldrich on the Clippers, and Dunn was supposed to be at least somewhat ready offensively. That's three guys who on paper should be really really solid depth this year and they're not bringing it. Shabazz has regressed hard and straight up kinda sucks. Basically the only guy who has exceeded expectations is Tyus, and as much as I like Tyus, if he's your most promising bench piece you have problems.
The defense is an absolute mystery to me though. I have no idea how a Tom Thibodeau coached team could be so weak defensively.
You're basically asking Thibs to be Hakeem. The Wolves were the 28th ranked defense last year and that's with the Kevin Garnett lineup that was absolutely dominant defensively. This year the defense is ranked 23rd. So it has taken a noticeable step forward, but they are still bad. You need good defenders on the court and the young guys aren't there yet.
Why though? Why have guys like Wiggins, Lavine, KAT, Shabazz, etc. all made little to no progress defensively? I agree that they're not there yet as individual defenders, but the difference isn't even noticeable, like at all. Thibs is (at least was) a savant defensively and has a reputation for breaking bad player habits, getting the very best effort and focus out of his guys. This just is not happening with the TWolves, and I don't understand why he's being totally let off the hook with the "they're just too young" argument. I get the mental lapses and stuff like that...but being too young doesn't stop you from at least putting in high level effort and intensity.
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poeman wrote:Watching them last night the team desperately needs some veteran winners to elevate them.
They should look to trade Zach Lavine or Dunn or Rubio
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JB2 wrote:poeman wrote:Watching them last night the team desperately needs some veteran winners to elevate them.
They should look to trade Zach Lavine or Dunn or Rubio
They can have Deng... give em a high character vet and all. I'll pack his belongings
chrisab123 wrote:spursscott wrote:chrisab123 wrote:"I member" the Baby Bulls. A team that on paper had a good amount of young talent. Not at the level of a KT Dunn Wiggins or LaVine but good amount. What doomed that team is no leadership. Combine that with Thibs who loves defense first and you can see where the disconnect would be. LaVine never would have been drafted under Thibs. He's just an awful fit. A good trade partner would be a team like Boston which is no offense all defense oriented. Orlando as well. I can only imagine what Thibs could do with Aaron Gordon.
lol what?
Gordon is a good defensive player. This is the type of guy Thibs would love to have on his roster.
Unbreakable99 wrote:They are near the bottom in wins yet again. I know it's early and they can turn it around but so far what is going on with them? I thought this would be the year they would make the playoffs and that KAT would be top 6 in MVP voting because of it. So far that doesn't look likely. I know Rubio got hurt but they were losing with him. What is going on with them? I thought Tom Thibodeau would make this team better.
Milbuck wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:Milbuck wrote:Yeah, the crappy bench argument is pretty clear now. I really liked what I saw from Bjelica last year, Aldrich on the Clippers, and Dunn was supposed to be at least somewhat ready offensively. That's three guys who on paper should be really really solid depth this year and they're not bringing it. Shabazz has regressed hard and straight up kinda sucks. Basically the only guy who has exceeded expectations is Tyus, and as much as I like Tyus, if he's your most promising bench piece you have problems.
The defense is an absolute mystery to me though. I have no idea how a Tom Thibodeau coached team could be so weak defensively.
You're basically asking Thibs to be Hakeem. The Wolves were the 28th ranked defense last year and that's with the Kevin Garnett lineup that was absolutely dominant defensively. This year the defense is ranked 23rd. So it has taken a noticeable step forward, but they are still bad. You need good defenders on the court and the young guys aren't there yet.
Why though? Why have guys like Wiggins, Lavine, KAT, Shabazz, etc. all made little to no progress defensively? I agree that they're not there yet as individual defenders, but the difference isn't even noticeable, like at all. Thibs is (at least was) a savant defensively and has a reputation for breaking bad player habits, getting the very best effort and focus out of his guys. This just is not happening with the TWolves, and I don't understand why he's being totally let off the hook with the "they're just too young" argument. I get the mental lapses and stuff like that...but being too young doesn't stop you from at least putting in high level effort and intensity.
spursscott wrote:TheDavinciCHODE wrote:
Towns has had enough of a chance to carry this team to the playoffs, and he jus hasn't gotten it done yet. Sure he's putting up great numbers and is only about 100 games into his career, but it hasn't translated to winning, so it's time for him to go play 2nd banana on a title contender.
You do realize that you are contradicting your self, right?
TheDavinciCHODE wrote:spursscott wrote:TheDavinciCHODE wrote:
Towns has had enough of a chance to carry this team to the playoffs, and he jus hasn't gotten it done yet. Sure he's putting up great numbers and is only about 100 games into his career, but it hasn't translated to winning, so it's time for him to go play 2nd banana on a title contender.
You do realize that you are contradicting your self, right?
yeah...how? Stop making excuses for this guy. Get the job done and make the playoffs. I'm tired of this BS. If he were so good, then they'd be at least .500 by now. Get him out of here. He's a bum.
He's a GOOD player and maybe borderline great, but he's not that good of a talent to bring a team to the playoffs. He's had enough time already. Get rid of him. Tank and get draft picks.
TheDavinciCHODE wrote:spursscott wrote:TheDavinciCHODE wrote:
Towns has had enough of a chance to carry this team to the playoffs, and he jus hasn't gotten it done yet. Sure he's putting up great numbers and is only about 100 games into his career, but it hasn't translated to winning, so it's time for him to go play 2nd banana on a title contender.
You do realize that you are contradicting your self, right?
yeah...how? Stop making excuses for this guy. Get the job done and make the playoffs. I'm tired of this BS. If he were so good, then they'd be at least .500 by now. Get him out of here. He's a bum.
He's a GOOD player and maybe borderline great, but he's not that good of a talent to bring a team to the playoffs. He's had enough time already. Get rid of him. Tank and get draft picks.
