2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2

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Who will win MVP?

Curry
12
3%
Durant
3
1%
Harden
112
31%
LeBron
42
12%
Leonard
60
17%
Westbrook
109
30%
Other
20
6%
 
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#321 » by inquisitive » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:38 pm

I could very well be wrong, but we might never see KD or Curry win MVP again as long as they're on the same team
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Post#322 » by K_chile22 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:53 pm

inquisitive wrote:I could very well be wrong, but we might never see KD or Curry win MVP again as long as they're on the same team

Unless one gets hurt for a substantial amount of time or one noticeably falls off you're probably right
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#323 » by HurricaneKid » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:00 pm

I kind of hate to see people pop in to say KD. The Dubs are +7.5 pts/100 with him OFF the floor. I mean that would be the second best team in the NBA (to Spurs). I don't think there is an argument to make there. I don't even think he is particularly close to making the All NBA 1st team (<LBJ and Kawhi).
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#324 » by bstein14 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:27 pm

Take ANYONE off the Warriors and they are a 60 win team... KD might be the best offensive player in the league but he isn't the MVP.

I also have a hard time giving it to anyone who isn't at least top 4 in their conference... Historically its incredibly rare for a player to be in the 7th or 8th seed or out of the playoffs and win MVP so I still just can't see Westbrook winning it. I still see the Celtics rising to first place, and Isiah Thomas winning the scoring title and MVP.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#325 » by DeKobe DeBryant » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:38 pm

LeBron got it.
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Post#326 » by ProfessorJM » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:39 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
inquisitive wrote:I could very well be wrong, but we might never see KD or Curry win MVP again as long as they're on the same team

Unless one gets hurt for a substantial amount of time or one noticeably falls off you're probably right


I agree that this may be true, fair or not. I think a lot of voters try and imagine the team performing WITHOUT that player (how much better or worse they would be without them) and the Warriors just seem so good that losing either of doesn't feel like it would be a huge deal for them. I believe many voters would surmise the Warriors still at worst finish with 60+ wins. I think this will hurt both of them beyond this year as long as that roster is so strong. I think Harden will win if they stay where they are in the conference standings.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#327 » by ProfessorJM » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:41 pm

DeKobe DeBryant wrote:LeBron got it.


If they finish strong without Love and also still without JR Smith, he should in my opinion be in the conversation, especially if he keeps up his play this month, which has been fantastic frankly.
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Post#328 » by nbafan38 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:22 pm

inquisitive wrote:I could very well be wrong, but we might never see KD or Curry win MVP again as long as they're on the same team


And quite frankly I don't feel either of them should ever win another mvp unless the other one is injured
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Post#329 » by veggieguy88 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:54 am

If the spurs really only have 1 allstar on the team. And with their record. That makes kawhi by default the mvp!
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#330 » by andrewww » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:12 am

veggieguy88 wrote:If the spurs really only have 1 allstar on the team. And with their record. That makes kawhi by default the mvp!


If you combine the "best player on a championship level team" with "most valuable as in your team would suck without him", then yes Kawhi is the runaway winner lol.

But its usually "best player on contending team" with "the best stats/narrative", and thats where Harden might have Kawhi beat.
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Post#331 » by Triples333 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:11 am

I'd vote Kawhi MVP just in the hopes to actually see Pop shed a tear of happiness.

And, yes, he does indeed deserve heavy MVP consideration.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#332 » by SizzlinSimms » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:59 am

I'd have:

1) James Harden
2) LBJ
3) Kawhi
4) Westbrook
5) John Wall (Homerism)
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#333 » by Freighttrain » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:19 am

for now ;

1) Harden --> its all depending on his W/L, his individual stats are phenomenal
2) Kawhi --> best player on the second best team in the NBA, him being the only all-star
3) LBJ --> he's putting up better stats than his 1st mvp whilst playing even better
4) Westbrook --> I find it hard to reward MVP whilst not looking at team success.
5) Wall --> best PG in the east, leading his team to the best eastern record since january.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#334 » by jangles86 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:13 am

John Wall has been an absolute beast on offense and defense. He is best finder of corner threes in the league. His just dominating teams right now.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#335 » by Greatness » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:49 pm

Freighttrain wrote:for now ;

1) Harden --> its all depending on his W/L, his individual stats are phenomenal
2) Kawhi --> best player on the second best team in the NBA, him being the only all-star
3) LBJ --> he's putting up better stats than his 1st mvp whilst playing even better
4) Westbrook --> I find it hard to reward MVP whilst not looking at team success.
5) Wall --> best PG in the east, leading his team to the best eastern record since january.

His 2009 season was clearly better than his current season.
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Post#336 » by XPeak » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:00 am

Still up in the air IMO. I want LeBron to win it again to really creep in that GOAT conversation. Team record will be like the most important factor as always with Cleveland, Houston, Spurs as the biggest players.

Harden still got it as of now. Those couple of 50/10/10s are still fresh on people's minds and if it's still close among the 3 teams, Harden's the sure winner.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#337 » by UtahJazzFan88 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:05 am

1) Westbrook
2) Harden
3) Thomas
4) James
5) Leonard

For me right now until Westbrook gets below 10 assists. He deserves it based on the mediocre supporting cast & triple-double.
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Post#338 » by zimpy27 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:09 am

Post-ASG LeBron is better than pre. I say he chases down the MVP.

Plus advanced stats suggest LeBron to be the least-rewarded player for MVP as he's had 4 seasons that put him as the best player in the season while the award went to others. I think that may be a factor with the performance in last years finals accounted for.

If the award was based on VORP or RPM then LeBron would have the most MVPs in history with 8 followed by MJ and Kareem on 7.
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#339 » by J-Ves » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:56 pm

1. Leonard
2. James
3. Harden
4. KD
5. Westbrook
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Re: 2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2 

Post#340 » by heatwillbeback » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:00 pm

I'd vote harden at this point. Those numbers and the huge turnaround both point to him getting this award.

While he isn't the best NBA player he is perfect for that system and makes it go.

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