Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts)

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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager 

Post#21 » by OptionZero » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:20 pm

Listen to Tim Bontemps on the TrueHoop pod from yesterday, he told the story ow how this trade developed, since he covered the situation.

That draft night, the trade agreed upon between BKN and BOS was Pierce for Humpries expiring and a pick. BKN then asked about Garnett, BOS in turn kept suggesting stuff to expand the deal. BKN's russian exec insisted on doing the deal immediately and agreed to everything BOS kept throwing into it, until . . . BKN killed themselves.

I guess Ainge deserves credit for completely mauling a defenseless, incompetent franchise

He also did great in the Rondo trade, DAL was moronic for doing that one.

His actual draft picks have been pretty stupid, since he keeps drafting small guards that aren't true point guards and can't shoot.

While the Isaiah trade was brilliant value, . . . he's gonna have a big decision coming up with the contracts of Bradley and Thomas
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager 

Post#22 » by Boston34Bg » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:20 pm

K_chile22 wrote:That Brooklyn trade was a masterpiece, but everything since is kinda meh. No one knew It would be this so it's hard to give him too much credit there, and he seems too attached to his assets, as the rumor is the hang up between they and the Magic for Ibaka was Terry freaking Rozier


Kinda meh? Getting a late 1st and Jae for Rondo. Getting IT for the 28th pick in the draft? Jae for 8 mils a year, Bradley for 9? His track record has been great, but am I guess he had a few misses in the draft like Giannis/Jordan and so on, but 29 you can say that for other GMs as well.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager 

Post#23 » by Boston34Bg » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:22 pm

Gerald3Wallace wrote:don't they got Clippers 2018 or 2019 1st round draft pick also?
If Doc blow it up, that could turn into a lottery pick.


Yep. Also Memphis from 2019 on. It's top 10 protected 1st, then the protection goes away.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#24 » by Warriorfan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:27 pm

How many GMS have done better. Meyers in GS and I can't think of another besides Popovich. Min and Den aren't playoff teams yet IMO plus Bos is only halfway into cashing into its assets.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#25 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:29 pm

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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager 

Post#26 » by reggielewis » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:33 pm

heatwillbeback wrote:
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heatwillbeback wrote:Wonderful at collecting assets.

Now do something with them.


They're 2nd in the conference. Let's not act like things are broken if he can't pull off a blockbuster.


Being close is all the more reason to pull the trigger on Boggie or Butler or another big name.

He is a good GM, but there is no reason why there should be a third overall pick from last year barely playing on a contending team. There has to be the exchange from future assets into current assets.


I disagree( respectively). I think that adding youth to a team that you plan on keeping in contention every year is vital. You can't win if you are constantly starting from scratch so you have young players who learn and develop while playing in a winning culture. That has always been Danny's thing- when he got here, he wanted to make our team younger and more athletic and he has continued to do that. That being said, that doesn't mean he still can't make a move but it has to be the right move. Also, when you have a team like GSW and a team like Cleveland or better yet a team with LBJ, you need to make sure your moves make sense because it will take a lot to bring either team down. I am not saying you don't go for it, but I am saying unless that trade makes you increasingly better, why not wait? You are still playing well, you are still competitive, you are developing young players all while winning. If Butler can be had fr what you are willing to give up, than you pull the trigger, if not, you wait a bit and see what happens. Having a great draft pick this year and knowing that you have cap space to try and make a move and then seeing what disgruntled stars become available is just as smart IMO. we are not winning the title this year so what is the rush? This is not a team of aging vets where the window is closed and therefore its now or never.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#27 » by Turner4MVP » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:41 pm

His drafting is atrocious but he is great at trades.

Year Round Pick Name
2016 1 3 Jaylen Brown
2016 1 16 Guerschon Yabusele
2016 1 23 Ante Žižić
2015 1 16 Terry Rozier
2015 1 28 R. J. Hunter
2014 1 6 Marcus Smart
2014 1 17 James Young
2013 1 16 Lucas Nogueira
2012 1 21 Jared Sullinger
2012 1 22 Fab Melo
2011 1 25 MarShon Brooks
2010 1 19 Avery Bradley
2008 1 30 J. R. Giddens
2007 1 5 Jeff Green
2006 1 7 Randy Foye
2005 1 18 Gerald Green
2004 1 15 Al Jefferson
2004 1 24 Delonte West
2004 1 25 Tony Allen
2003 1 16 Troy Bell
2003 1 20 Dahntay Jones

2016 2 31 Deyonta Davis
2016 2 35 Rade Zagorac
2016 2 45 Demetrius Jackson
2016 2 51 Ben Bentil
2016 2 58 Abdel Nader
2015 2 33 Jordan Mickey
2015 2 45 Marcus Thornton
2012 2 51 Kris Joseph
2011 2 55 E'Twaun Moore
2010 2 52 Luke Harangody
2009 2 58 Lester Hudson
2008 2 60 Semih Erden
2007 2 32 Gabe Pruitt
2005 2 50 Ryan Gomes
2005 2 53 Orien Greene
2004 2 40 Justin Reed


Didn't find anybody in the second round and hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#28 » by Amsterdam » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:42 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Good trader, average drafter.



While a very good dealer, his drafting instincts for his whole body of work appear on the minus side,,,no?
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager 

Post#29 » by The_Hater » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:46 pm

heatwillbeback wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
heatwillbeback wrote:Wonderful at collecting assets.

Now do something with them.


They're 2nd in the conference. Let's not act like things are broken if he can't pull off a blockbuster.


Being close is all the more reason to pull the trigger on Boggie or Butler or another big name.

He is a good GM, but there is no reason why there should be a third overall pick from last year barely playing on a contending team. There has to be the exchange from future assets into current assets.


You act like it's Ainge not pulling the trigger when there's never been proof that either player you listed was ever available for trade. Just unsubstantiated rumors. If they were, it stands to reason they would have changed teams by now. Superstar level players in their primes are rarely traded.

He did however try to trade 4 first round picks to Charlotte once just to move up in the draft and he once traded the kitchen sink for Kevin Garnett, so clearly he's not afraid to make these types of moves.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#30 » by DelMonte West » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:49 pm

Amsterdam wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Good trader, average drafter.



While a very good dealer, his drafting instincts for his whole body of work appear on the minus side,,,no?


Definitely not. He was initially mocked for selecting Brown at #3 but all indications of late have shown that to be a wise selection, while the others ranked ahead on nbadraft.net and draftexpress.com haven't been anything to write home about. Even Ingram hasn't shown much. He's done very well in regards to the positions he has typically drafted from. Avery Bradley in particular has turned out as a huge sleeper hit and is one of the best 2-way players in the league.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#31 » by Froob » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:50 pm

I'd say he's still one of the better GMs when it comes to the drafts, made numerous nice picks later in the drafts. He's not on the tier of Spurs brass, Presti, and Meyers but, he's still really good. I thin Jaylen was a great pick and Presti and Riley thought so too.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#32 » by Froob » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:51 pm

Turner4MVP wrote:His drafting is atrocious but he is great at trades.

Year Round Pick Name
2016 1 3 Jaylen Brown
2016 1 16 Guerschon Yabusele
2016 1 23 Ante Žižić
2015 1 16 Terry Rozier
2015 1 28 R. J. Hunter
2014 1 6 Marcus Smart
2014 1 17 James Young
2013 1 16 Lucas Nogueira
2012 1 21 Jared Sullinger
2012 1 22 Fab Melo
2011 1 25 MarShon Brooks
2010 1 19 Avery Bradley
2008 1 30 J. R. Giddens
2007 1 5 Jeff Green
2006 1 7 Randy Foye
2005 1 18 Gerald Green
2004 1 15 Al Jefferson
2004 1 24 Delonte West
2004 1 25 Tony Allen
2003 1 16 Troy Bell
2003 1 20 Dahntay Jones

2016 2 31 Deyonta Davis
2016 2 35 Rade Zagorac
2016 2 45 Demetrius Jackson
2016 2 51 Ben Bentil
2016 2 58 Abdel Nader
2015 2 33 Jordan Mickey
2015 2 45 Marcus Thornton
2012 2 51 Kris Joseph
2011 2 55 E'Twaun Moore
2010 2 52 Luke Harangody
2009 2 58 Lester Hudson
2008 2 60 Semih Erden
2007 2 32 Gabe Pruitt
2005 2 50 Ryan Gomes
2005 2 53 Orien Greene
2004 2 40 Justin Reed


Didn't find anybody in the second round and hasn't drafted well since Avery Bradley.

I think Brown and Zizic are going to be big pieces going forward. We'll see. Yabs is hard to say.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#33 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:06 pm

Amsterdam wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Good trader, average drafter.



While a very good dealer, his drafting instincts for his whole body of work appear on the minus side,,,no?


Hard to say. Olynyk instead of Giannis was a major disaster. The rest is probably a little above average. I liked his 2016 picks, especially Zizic.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#34 » by righterwriter » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:17 pm

The proof is in the pudding. The team is #2 in the East and seems to be getting better. Gotta give Ainge proper respect for building the team, staff, and organization.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#35 » by Gant » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:24 pm

Funny thing is, the Celtics had a great draft last year and practically no one knows it yet.


Last year the Celtics had 8 picks:

They traded two 2nds for a future 1st.

A second rounder at pick 45 made their roster.

Jaylen Brown is one of an entire class of lottery picks whose status is yet to be determined. He looks like the right choice in a weak draft at #3 though, as he's shown flashes and has the tools and discipline to really make it.

They have three stashes- two overseas, one in the D-league. Yabusele looks very interesting and Zizic looks like a great pick. Deveney article on the 3 stashes: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-ante-zizic-guerschon-yabusele-carmelo-anthony/1kiivyhdzmzd31t0o9d4imaldn

The prize of the group so far has been 20-year-old center Ante Zizic, who began the season playing for Cibona Zagreb in Croatia, where he starred, but moved on to play for Darussafaka in Turkey, a step up in competition level. It was assumed that Zizic would play a limited role for his new team—headed by former Cavs coach David Blatt—but he has already made an impact, and has gotten minutes as a starter. In a game a week ago, he had 16 points and 18 rebounds.

“He has been someone who has sort of caught everyone’s eye here,” said one international scout. “He was supposed to be a long-term project, but he has come out and shown a lot of improvement since he was drafted. He has the usual things he needs to do, like (improving) his jump shot, like getting bigger, adding some muscle. But he is very athletic for his size (6-11, 255), he runs the floor so well, he is tough, he holds his own against older guys and he has good hands and footwork inside. He’s come a long way, defensively, too.”

The general manager speculated that if Zizic had not come out last season, when the Celtics got him with the 23rd pick, “he would almost certainly be a lottery pick in this draft, maybe Top 10, even though this is a deeper draft than last year. He would be better than a draft pick, really, because you can see what you’re getting.”


On Yabusele:
“He is built sort of like Jae Crowder, he is big up top and is a physical player,” the international scout said. “But he has more offensive potential. He is already a pretty good shooter from the perimeter, and he is athletic, but he needs to get smoother with his game. He is not going to back anyone down, even at his size, so he needs to work on his ballhandling. But he can rebound and he can score, he will be a very solid NBA player.”


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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#36 » by Capn'O » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:31 pm

mistook point of thread - excellent GM overall but the draft is not a huge strength. good news is he gives himself a lot of chances to get it right.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#37 » by Pacers_Freak » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:14 pm

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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#38 » by jackwindham » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:38 pm

It amuses me to see people instructing Ainge to do something with the asset. As a general manager in the NBA, I think the thought has crossed his mind once or twice before.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#39 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:21 pm

Horrible drafter, great at trades.
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Re: Danny Ainge as a General Manager (drafts) 

Post#40 » by DelMonte West » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:40 pm

I'd say Ainge is good overall at drafting. Smart, Brown, Rondo, Al Jefferson, Tony Allen, Delonte West (pre-mental issues), and Avery Bradley have all turned out very well in their respective classes. Overlooked players like Ryan Gomes (taken at #50 and was solid), Glen Davis, Jared Sullinger (both of whom underachieved relative to their talent but were still good for where they were taken), and ESPECIALLY Leon Powe (before his injuries derailed his career) were all good choices, too. I really like their international haul from last year's draft. Keep in mind that until recently he's traditionally drafted towards the back-half of the first round and hasn't been given a no-brainer #1 of #2 pick ala Durant yet.

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