Who is The "GOAT" player that never won a ring?

Whetzell · Post #21 » by **Whetzell** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:14 pm

lebron3-14-3 wrote:I think Malone and Barkley are far above the others.. CP3 third, as he is very unlikely to win a ring

Stockton is WAY better than CP3 on both sides of the court.

Scizzup · Post #22 » by **Scizzup** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:39 pm

Whetzell wrote:
lebron3-14-3 wrote:I think Malone and Barkley are far above the others.. CP3 third, as he is very unlikely to win a ring

Stockton is WAY better than CP3 on both sides of the court.

lol wat

Daddy 801 · Post #23 » by **Daddy 801** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:48 pm

Blackfyre wrote:Zero mentions of Elgin Baylor ? Dude is really unappreciated.

11 x NBA All-Star
10 x All-NBA First Team (same as Michael Jordan)
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
38.3 points per game in a single season
61 points in the finals against Boston

This guy at least deserves a mention.

I came in to write Malone and say it wasn't close. But that is an impressive list. I didn't see him growing up so it's hard for me to have an educated opinion on Elgin. Maybe it isn't as a closed case as I believed.

Stockton, Miller, Barkley, Ewing, are also all good players people mentioned.

JordansBulls · Post #24 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:50 pm

Dan Z wrote:Ewing has to be up there. Did Chris Mullen ever win a ring?

Players like Grant Hill shouldn't be on this list. He was good, but injured for too long to be considered.

Mullin definitely isn't the goat of players who haven't won a ring.

ClubLakers KB8 · Post #25 » by **ClubLakers KB8** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:51 pm

Dwight Howard should be an honorable mention. Like it or not, he has numbers and accolades.

Dan Z · Post #26 » by **Dan Z** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:25 am

JordansBulls wrote:
Dan Z wrote:Ewing has to be up there. Did Chris Mullen ever win a ring?

Players like Grant Hill shouldn't be on this list. He was good, but injured for too long to be considered.

Mullin definitely isn't the goat of players who haven't won a ring.

I'm not saying he's the GOAT out of players who haven't won a ring, but he was a great player. Hall of Fame player to be exact.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html

He's definitely higher on this list than Grant Hill and Dwight Howard.

r0drig0lac · Post #27 » by **r0drig0lac** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:29 am

Malone Charles and Durant

SactoKingsFan · Post #28 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:34 am

Dan Z wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:
Dan Z wrote:Ewing has to be up there. Did Chris Mullen ever win a ring?

Players like Grant Hill shouldn't be on this list. He was good, but injured for too long to be considered.

Mullin definitely isn't the goat of players who haven't won a ring.

I'm not saying he's the GOAT out of players who haven't won a ring, but he was a great player. Hall of Fame player to be exact.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html

He's definitely higher on this list than Grant Hill and Dwight Howard.

Mullin's case over Hill and Howard is actually pretty weak. Didn't peak higher, no prime or career longevity edge and was a poor defender.

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NBAFan93 · Post #29 » by **NBAFan93** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:37 am

I don't think we should include active players like Durant in this discussion. Unless they are very close to retiring and aren't on a contender team, they definitely can still get a ring.

Dan Z · Post #30 » by **Dan Z** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:41 am

SactoKingsFan wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Mullin definitely isn't the goat of players who haven't won a ring.

I'm not saying he's the GOAT out of players who haven't won a ring, but he was a great player. Hall of Fame player to be exact.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html

He's definitely higher on this list than Grant Hill and Dwight Howard.

Mullin's case over Hill and Howard is actually pretty weak.

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Mullin has a five year span where he averaged over 25 points per game while shooting over 50%. There's a reason why he's in the hall of fame.

Grant Hill was a great player, but injuries screwed up his career.

Dwight Howard has also had a good career, but it seems to me that his career is on the downside.

mtron929 · Post #31 » by **mtron929** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:43 am

I would be absolutely shocked if Durant ends up with zero rings in his career.

liveod · Post #32 » by **liveod** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:00 am

Uhhh. T-Mac.....

SactoKingsFan · Post #33 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:02 am

Dan Z wrote:
SactoKingsFan wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
I'm not saying he's the GOAT out of players who haven't won a ring, but he was a great player. Hall of Fame player to be exact.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html

He's definitely higher on this list than Grant Hill and Dwight Howard.

Mullin's case over Hill and Howard is actually pretty weak.

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Mullin has a five year span where he averaged over 25 points per game while shooting over 50%. There's a reason why he's in the hall of fame.

Grant Hill was a great player, but injuries screwed up his career.

Dwight Howard has also had a good career, but it seems to me that his career is on the downside.

Mullin also had a short prime due to injury issues, didn't peak higher than Hill or Dwight and was a poor defender. Doesn't even have a longevity edge.

Hill had a HoF worthy career. Dwight will be first ballot HoFer.

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Dan Z · Post #34 » by **Dan Z** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:08 am

SactoKingsFan wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
SactoKingsFan wrote:
Mullin's case over Hill and Howard is actually pretty weak.

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Mullin has a five year span where he averaged over 25 points per game while shooting over 50%. There's a reason why he's in the hall of fame.

Grant Hill was a great player, but injuries screwed up his career.

Dwight Howard has also had a good career, but it seems to me that his career is on the downside.

Mullin also had a short prime due to injury issues, didn't peak higher than Hill or Dwight and was a poor defender. Doesn't even have a longevity edge.

Hill had a HoF worthy career. Dwight will be first ballot HoFer.

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It's not worth arguing over. All I'm saying is that Mullin had a good career and asked if he had won a ring. I never said he was the GOAT player without a ring (and even said that Ewing should be in the conversation).

Mylie10 · Post #35 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:21 am

I go Ewing

Post #36 » by **Jakay** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:24 am

dockingsched wrote:At this point worth mention: Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden

If only they all played for one team

Spoiler:

The_Hater · Post #37 » by **The_Hater** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:24 am

Elgin Baylor needs to be on the short list and might be the best answer.

Top 5:

Malone
Barkley
Baylor
Stockton
Ewing

I'm not going to list current players. They still have time.

The_Hater · Post #38 » by **The_Hater** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:32 am

Not that Bill Simmons pyramid is perfect, but he did put a lot of time into ranking players. Here's where BS had them ranked in 2010.

15 Baylor
18 Malone
19 Barkley
25 Stockton
34 Gervin
36 Nash
37 Iverson
40 Ewing

leolozon · Post #39 » by **leolozon** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:09 am

Malone didn't play well in the playoffs while Barkley did. This should count for something.

I would take Barkley ahead of Malone considering everything I know about both players.

Playoffs:
Malone PER 21.1 TS% .526 BPM 3.6
Barkley PER 24.2 TS% .584 BPM 7.3

Malone would probably have a ring if he didn't perform so poorly in the playoffs. Barkley and most of those other guys performed well, but didn't have a good enough team.

Quiet-Dude · Post #40 » by **Quiet-Dude** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:18 am

Vince...C webb...Mutombo

Choose the Ringless GOAT player.