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On paper do the Kings really have that much more talent than the Warriors?
northoakland510 wrote:CB-Blazer wrote:turk3d wrote:Because Ellis has no one else on the team to turn to
1) He takes more shots
2) he has no one to take the offensive pressure off of him like Roy does
3) He plays more minutes and has more responsibility, not just offensively.
4) Defensively has been guarding SFs (due in part to Nelson's ridiculous 3 guard offense) and has been doing a very good job at it.
More minutes translates into being more tired in the 4th quarter. More shots translates into more energy expended. And being the only viable scorer on this team (up until recently now that Maggette's come around) requires him to expend more energy both offensively and efensively, thus resulting in a lower shooting % than he'd normally have which at almost 46% is not too bad considering all the circumstances.
There's no way that Monta's going to start, but he should be brought in as by the coaches if he continues to play at the level he has. His defense maybe the most impressive having done very good jobs against Roy, Kobe, Iggy, Tony Parker and Durant which for a guy his size is outstanding.
You can't say because his team is so terrible that it should keep him out of the game. If he had a better team, his numbers would be way better. All that considering how easy it must be to game plan for the Warriors. Put 3 guys on Monta every play (which is what the Spurs did) and you're guaranteed a win. Yet he still gives the effort and gets his numbers.
He shouldn't be brought in. He doesn't lead his teams to wins, plain and simple.
As to exetended minutes? Roy has been playing 40+ minutes a night since Oden has gone down and Roy has only gotten better, he has picked up the slack created by the plethora of injuries Portland has suffered and willed his team to wins. Monta Ellis simply doesn't do that. I don't buy that arguement. There is bunch of all-star players that play as many minutes as Monta Ellis and don't have 515 TS%, which is HORRIBLE for a first option, regardless of how crappy your teammates are.
I'm not denying the fact that Monta Ellis is an All-Star caliber player, because he is but the west is simply too packed with better guards to get in.
Paul and Kobe are locks and there is no way in hell he deserves to be in over Deron, Roy, or Nash. All players, with better stats on much better teams.
Maybe GS should trade him to the East, where Calderons, Nelsons and Mo Williams can get into an AS game, so all you GSW fans can finally be correct.
The Warriors have been playing with 7 healthy players for the last few months, lets see what Roy does with Oden and Pryzbilla both being down.
Edrees wrote:If you add a new option to any of the lottery teams in the western conference they would be in the playoff discussion. I fail to see how this is unique to the warriors. the only exception is probably minnesota
turk3d wrote:Outscored Paul 35-20 in today's game. He's racking em up in terms of games he's played against his competitors. Not sure if he and Paul went head to head since I didn't see the game just checked the boxscore. You guys can say all you want about all the reasons he shouldn't be an all star but the guys he's going up against know better.
So far, he's held his own with Granger, Roy, Kobe, Durant, Parker and now Paul (it looks like). And when I say held his own, that means at least played them even if not exceeded what they did in the game while playing them straight up defensively. If he keeps "doing what he do" some of you guys might be singing a different tune by the time it's all over with. Like it or not, Ellis is having an all star season so far and that's a fact.
CB-Blazer wrote:turk3d wrote:Outscored Paul 35-20 in today's game. He's racking em up in terms of games he's played against his competitors. Not sure if he and Paul went head to head since I didn't see the game just checked the boxscore. You guys can say all you want about all the reasons he shouldn't be an all star but the guys he's going up against know better.
So far, he's held his own with Granger, Roy, Kobe, Durant, Parker and now Paul (it looks like). And when I say held his own, that means at least played them even if not exceeded what they did in the game while playing them straight up defensively. If he keeps "doing what he do" some of you guys might be singing a different tune by the time it's all over with. Like it or not, Ellis is having an all star season so far and that's a fact.
Well, sure he is having an all-star caliber season but it doesn't mean he is going to be an All-Star and this happens all the time. You should know this, especially being a GSW and what happened to Baron Davis. Then you have Deron Williams who is the 2nd best PG in the league and has yet to play in an AS Game.
Like I said, the west is just too packed with better guards, having better seasons statistically and recordwise for Monta to make it into the All-Star game. ****, even Tyreke Evans and his hypetrain could potentially be voted in before Monta Ellis.
If one of Roy, Deron, Nash, Paul, Kobe, get hurt, Monta would probably the the first alternate.
turk3d wrote:CB-Blazer wrote:turk3d wrote:Outscored Paul 35-20 in today's game. He's racking em up in terms of games he's played against his competitors. Not sure if he and Paul went head to head since I didn't see the game just checked the boxscore. You guys can say all you want about all the reasons he shouldn't be an all star but the guys he's going up against know better.
So far, he's held his own with Granger, Roy, Kobe, Durant, Parker and now Paul (it looks like). And when I say held his own, that means at least played them even if not exceeded what they did in the game while playing them straight up defensively. If he keeps "doing what he do" some of you guys might be singing a different tune by the time it's all over with. Like it or not, Ellis is having an all star season so far and that's a fact.
Well, sure he is having an all-star caliber season but it doesn't mean he is going to be an All-Star and this happens all the time. You should know this, especially being a GSW and what happened to Baron Davis. Then you have Deron Williams who is the 2nd best PG in the league and has yet to play in an AS Game.
Like I said, the west is just too packed with better guards, having better seasons statistically and recordwise for Monta to make it into the All-Star game. ****, even Tyreke Evans and his hypetrain could potentially be voted in before Monta Ellis.
If one of Roy, Deron, Nash, Paul, Kobe, get hurt, Monta would probably the the first alternate.
There is a good chance someone will get hurt (heck he could get hurt and then it'lol be over). But you never know. All he can do is to keep performing the way he has thus far and I'm sure the rest will take care of itself. There's a different selection format which can also factor into the end result. We just don't know. Tyreke is a possibility but with him being a rookie, I think that goes against him a little but we'll see. Obviously we all want our hometown favorites to get the nod and certainly all of them are deserving. Someone is always getting screwed when it comes to all stars. Warriors fans seem to feel like it's their turn to get a break maybe and Monta's doing all he can to make that possible. That's pretty much it.
Too Late Crew wrote:Ths discussion iIS Ellis an All Star. Not in theoretical makebelive world could he be an all star. Fact his he is putting up stats on a crap team. thiose guys don't make all star teams. Look at Durnat last year. Ellis will not make the AS team this year.
If ellis cut his turnovers in half and shot 52% he still isn't making the All Star team.
AKBlazerFan wrote:If Ellis makes it so should Z. Randolph...
jrich88 wrote:AKBlazerFan wrote:If Ellis makes it so should Z. Randolph...
yeah over Duncan, Gasol and Dirk
