Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto

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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#101 » by mike_miller » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:05 pm

^ im saying that once all this 2010 stuff ends..and w/e happens...those teams will all still be looking to get better...when the oppertunity presents itself

the cap is only the cap till you trade a player or 2..

(signing reshard lewis didnt stop orlando for trading for VC)...
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#102 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:37 pm

KnicksMetsJetsNova wrote:id rather have a 5% chance at lebron james than a 0% chance at winning a ring the next 5 years

anyone who thinks different is lost

the raptors are PRETENDERS.. please i know your excitement, ive been there, but its only gonna end in disappointment every single year in the 1st or 2nd round


Since when do we have a 0% chance of winning a ring the next 5 years? There's been plenty of teams who've been first round knockouts and "pretenders", then made some incrimental improvement to take them to contention status. Denver Nuggets are a good example. So are the Celtics. And the Lakers. And the Hawks.

We are on track to be a 50 win+ team by next year... at that point you're not far away. Just a couple more improvements

And by being there, I assume you're either talking about the King or Ewing eras. King's was cut off at the limbs, in Ewing's you did become legit contenders
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#103 » by Parataxis » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:07 pm

Heat3 wrote:Your lazy attempt at an argument would have merit except neither Toronto nor Cleveland can sign Wade to pair him up with Bosh or Lebron respectively. Only Miami has the cap space to sign a star player to pair up with star that's already on the team.


Cap space in 2010 is only good for 2nd tier FAs. The top tier, those who will be getting max deals, will want the maximum max deals they can get. That means if anybody wants Bron, Bosh, or Wade (and maybe Amare or Joe) you'll need to trade for them. Cap space doesn't help with that - players do.

Miami is in a great position to fill their roster with very good players - but not the great ones. Cleaveland and Toronto, with rosters full of players that can be trades, are in a much better position to pick up a top tier FA, should they want to pull that trigger.
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#104 » by theDEATH » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:20 pm

sule wrote:
raps4life~ wrote:Theres a confusion between EXTENSION and OPT OUT OF CURRENT CONTRACT AND RESIGN.

If Bosh signs an EXTENSION, he loses an ass load of money. If Bosh OPTS OUT OF CURRENT CONTRACT AND RESIGNS, which must happen at the end of the season, he makes an ass load of money.

Stop making these "why isn't he signing an extension" comments.


It must be too cold here in Canada for Bosh to hold a pen long enough to sign an extension. That's about the only logical argument stated against Bosh re-signing here.

Oh, and apparently the weather suddenly gets cold when you cross the border into Canada. Below the 49th parallel, it's warm and toasty all year round.


That -OR- it might be because BC hasn't offered him an extension yet and it's kind of hard to sign an extension when you haven't been offered one.
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#105 » by inonba » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:04 pm

Heat3 wrote:Your lazy attempt at an argument would have merit except neither Toronto nor Cleveland can sign Wade to pair him up with Bosh or Lebron respectively. Only Miami has the cap space to sign a star player to pair up with star that's already on the team.


It is a lazy attempt and it's a poor argument. It's also your argument. Both Toronto and Cleveland were in position for 2010 as well but decided to use their cap space this off season. Heat fans is boasting how much of an advantage they have going into the next 5 years with cap space, and how Cleveland and Toronto are inflexible.....but you forgot one thing...new CBA coming up with a hard cap. Read up what happened when the NHL instituted a hard cap....
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#106 » by Wade2k6 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:23 pm

Parataxis wrote:
Heat3 wrote:Your lazy attempt at an argument would have merit except neither Toronto nor Cleveland can sign Wade to pair him up with Bosh or Lebron respectively. Only Miami has the cap space to sign a star player to pair up with star that's already on the team.


Cap space in 2010 is only good for 2nd tier FAs. The top tier, those who will be getting max deals, will want the maximum max deals they can get. That means if anybody wants Bron, Bosh, or Wade (and maybe Amare or Joe) you'll need to trade for them. Cap space doesn't help with that - players do.

Miami is in a great position to fill their roster with very good players - but not the great ones. Cleaveland and Toronto, with rosters full of players that can be trades, are in a much better position to pick up a top tier FA, should they want to pull that trigger.

Haven't all of the top tier FA said that they did this kind of deal for 2 reasons....
1) to keep their options open and be able to play with eachother if the situation become available
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2) So that they could get their contracts before the new CBA agreement.

You have no idea what Bosh/LeBron/Wade want to do. Might it be unlikely that Miami ends up with Bosh or LeBron, maybe. But to say that their "capspace in 2010 is only good for 2nd tier FAs" is foolish.
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#107 » by Relentless88 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:26 pm

I hear David Lee's an all-star so don't be worried.

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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#108 » by sule » Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:08 am

theDEATH wrote:
sule wrote:
raps4life~ wrote:Theres a confusion between EXTENSION and OPT OUT OF CURRENT CONTRACT AND RESIGN.

If Bosh signs an EXTENSION, he loses an ass load of money. If Bosh OPTS OUT OF CURRENT CONTRACT AND RESIGNS, which must happen at the end of the season, he makes an ass load of money.

Stop making these "why isn't he signing an extension" comments.


It must be too cold here in Canada for Bosh to hold a pen long enough to sign an extension. That's about the only logical argument stated against Bosh re-signing here.

Oh, and apparently the weather suddenly gets cold when you cross the border into Canada. Below the 49th parallel, it's warm and toasty all year round.


That -OR- it might be because BC hasn't offered him an extension yet and it's kind of hard to sign an extension when you haven't been offered one.


Bosh doesn't even want to discuss that stuff right now. Besides, he's made his intentions very clear. And with the team playing this well, it's likely that neither wants to approach the situation right now and disturb what seems to be a good equilibrium.
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#109 » by Abba Zabba » Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:38 pm

The sense I get from Bosh is that he hasn't reached the KG-Ray Allen point in his career where he'll go anywhere for a shot at the title.

Listening to him speak, he believes he can be the man on a contending team and looks forward towards building that team. Now I don't think he's at the same level of the elite players in the league (Kobe, 'bron etc), but who's going to tell him he can't get there. Every year since he showed up this league as a ridiculously skinny 19 year old he has improved , this year even more than most (he might be the hardest worker of that draft class, maybe the NBA, especially during the off-season). He's young enough that he can't see the flattening of that arc of improvement yet. If the Raps do well for the rest of the year I'm fairly sure that he'll re-sign. Any cap space worries are offset by the high number of young developing players on the roster (don't sleep on Derozen) and having a top flight exec in Brian Colangelo running the ship.

BTW: the Raptors haven't offered him an extension for the same reason you don't ask a girl out on a date to McDonald's: it's insulting to her and guaranteed rejection for you. W e can offer him a better deal with a new contract and he knows it... and we know he knows it... and he knows we know he knows it....
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#110 » by Rah Fentons » Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:36 pm

I would bet .............. that if Steve Kyler were employed by ESPN ................ and did the same work he's doing now, with the same opinion , that his reporting would be considered fact by many .
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#111 » by Flash3 » Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:41 pm

Rah Fentons wrote:I would bet .............. that if Steve Kyler were employed by ESPN ................ and did the same work he's doing now, with the same opinion , that his reporting would be considered fact by many .

Not really, Chad Ford gets shut down time and time again because of his lackluster rumblings and such. ESPN is no way credible to the nth degree.
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Re: Steve Kyler: Bosh is staying, Loves Toronto 

Post#112 » by crossroads » Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:13 pm

Flash3 wrote:
Rah Fentons wrote:I would bet .............. that if Steve Kyler were employed by ESPN ................ and did the same work he's doing now, with the same opinion , that his reporting would be considered fact by many .

Not really, Chad Ford gets shut down time and time again because of his lackluster rumblings and such. ESPN is no way credible to the nth degree.


This. Realistically none of these reporters really "know" anything. All of their articles are based off of speculation or discussions with people who have loose connections to teams and players that they can claim as "sources" and then use those "sources" to write articles making definitive statements about the free agent status of the Bosh's, Wade's and LeBron's so that they can get attention and draw more readers to their blogs/sites.

If people want to work at drawing conclusions the only thing solid that we can work with are direct quotations from the players involved, like when Wade says he loves Miami and doesn't want to leave, or when Bosh says he wants to recruit players to come to Toronto rather then have others try to recruit him.

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