Doormatt wrote:they are obviously comparable, the 08 celtics didnt have prime allen/pierce. rondo was basically a nobody at that point and perkins wasnt much more useful. they had very nice role players and a very good big 3, but the mavs also had a deep team that gelled perfectly. i dont see how its so absurd to compare the two. the 2011 mavs are an incredibly underrated supporting cast. they had shooters, solid defenders, and all of them fit perfectly around dirk and his game. i mean, who would take 08 rondo over 2011 kidd? how much better was allen than terry, especially in the playoffs? tyson chandler imo is clearly better than any of the bigs the celtics had other than KG, and marion was a really strong player as well. obviously not as good as pierce but still very good.
its not at all a ridiculous comparison. and you basically not responding to it because you dont agree with +/- (which is an actual legitimate tool, whereas you have nothing but opinion) leaves you with no leg to stand on.
I don't agree at all, but at least you've got the guts to come out and say what you feel, unlike some posters.
You say the 2011 Mavs were underrated. I couldn't agree more. You say they had a deep and balanced team. Right on the money I say. But we're comparing them to the 2008 Celtics here, maybe the best support cast a star player has had in recent memory.
No, the Celtics didn't have a support cast big as good as Tyson Chandler, but they did have one who was very, very good. Perkins is just a role player, but he's a damn good role player. More importantly, the Celtics beat the Mavs everywhere else. They had 2 borderline Franchise players who were in the tail end of their primes. Terry, Marion, these are good players... but prime Ray Allen and Paul Pierce they're not. These guys were 30 and 32, and posted lower volume stats because of how stacked the team they were going to was. In 2005 Ray Allen was the best player on a team who won 52 games in the Western Conference, with Rashard Lewis and Luke Ridnour as his 2nd and 3rd best players. Jason Terry could never have even dreamt of doing something like that. Paul Pierce was the man on a team who made the Eastern Conference Finals on the back of his great play. Sure, the East sucked when he did it, but so did his support cast. These guys were all-nba players, vastly better than anyone else on the Mavs in 2011.
Jason Kidd was a handy PG last year, and Barea off the bench was great stuff. But even young Rondo is better than that, especially when he's augmented by smart vets like Cassell and House. It's not like Rondo was crap in 2008, he was just asked to do less because of the deep team he was on, and as things have changed since then, and the Celtics vets have fallen off a bit, he's stepped it up and done more. Speaking of depth, the Celtics had crazy depth everywhere that year, a still good James Posey, Vet PJ Brown, 26 year old tough as nails defender Tony Allen, even big guys like Powe and Big Baby played well in their roles. Sure, guys like PJ Brown and Posey weren't in their prime anymore, but they sure were good in the roles they were asked to play. 1-12 the Celtics were ridiculously deep.