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I would be so mad if I was MJ's defender. Sometimes those guys would give him mid air bear hugs and he'd still make it. Infuriating!
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Bird video was incredible
A few things I enjoyed:
1) A dunk siting on the 3 play of the video
2) His incredible hustle down the court on almost all his strips and steals
3) Sampson and 'Akeem' defense was insane.
Nice post.
A few things I enjoyed:
1) A dunk siting on the 3 play of the video
2) His incredible hustle down the court on almost all his strips and steals
3) Sampson and 'Akeem' defense was insane.
Nice post.
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Quotatious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H76dsMqo3s&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
Amazing watch.
Indeed. Even though it's just a 10-min highlight reel, this (certainly when combined with some advanced defensive metrics) should pretty well dispel all myths that Bird was an average/below average defender.
Things that are pretty clearly evident:
1) Amazingly quick hands and (as Bobby Knight notes) fantastic hand/eye coordination.
2) Very savvy at findings means of nullifying his relative weak athleticism: in particularly his seemingly uncanny knack for blocking shots without significant elevation, often by catching the ball at that exact moment (with his great hand/eye coordination) the shooter brings it to the top of (or behind) his head in the shooting motion.
3) Remarkable intuition and anticipation where making gambles are concerned.
4) Post defense was just about textbook perfect! Look at the trouble he was giving guys like Jack Sikma and Ralph Sampson (who has, what....like 6+ inches on him!). Absolutely remarkable.
Additional thingy that is certainly implied; can't confirm was consistent from this video because it's not full game(s) (but memory tells me it was consistent): attention and hustle on defensive end.
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trex_8063 wrote:Indeed. Even though it's just a 10-min highlight reel, this (certainly when combined with some advanced defensive metrics) should pretty well dispel all myths that Bird was an average/below average defender.
To begin with, I think that myth is based solely on his subpar man defense on perimeter (because he simply didn't have the lateral quickness or the athleticism (in the popular grasp) to contain guys like Dr. J, Dominique, King, Worthy etc.), but he always gave A LOT of effort and played with a ton of heart and hustle in all aspects of the game. The thing is, casual fans seem to incorrectly identify MAN defense as overall defense, or in other words, they think that if you can't contain your man one-on-one (which is overrated in itself, because many NBA players can easily get to the basket against single coverage) , then you're a bad defender, which is blatantly incorrect. Help defense is oftentimes more important, and Bird excelled at that.
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Quotatious wrote:trex_8063 wrote:Indeed. Even though it's just a 10-min highlight reel, this (certainly when combined with some advanced defensive metrics) should pretty well dispel all myths that Bird was an average/below average defender.
To begin with, I think that myth is based solely on his subpar man defense on perimeter (because he simply didn't have the lateral quickness or the athleticism (in the popular grasp) to contain guys like Dr. J, Dominique, King, Worthy etc.), but he always gave A LOT of effort and played with a ton of heart and hustle in all aspects of the game. The thing is, casual fans seem to incorrectly identify MAN defense as overall defense, or in other words, they think that if you can't contain your man one-on-one (which is overrated in itself, because many NBA players can easily get to the basket against single coverage) , then you're a bad defender, which is blatantly incorrect. Help defense is oftentimes more important, and Bird excelled at that.
Bolded part probably correct. Lack of lateral quickness is ironically evident even on a couple clips within that video meant to showcase his excellent D. Though in those instances he was nonetheless able to come up with the play due to his other attributes (anticipation, quick hands, hand/eye coordination).
So yeah, perimeter man D maybe not so hot. But that post defense was really something; and great help defender like you said, too. What a great, great all-around player he was.
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IMO, this is the most important thread on this board to "read".
Hey, cross-posting this:
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wigglestrue wrote:Don't we have enough of a smattering of complete games (playoffs included) on tape of Russell and Wilt and West and Baylor (although not so much Oscar, maybe) and others to count up a decent enough, random enough sample from which to extrapolate a career average for any player with a certain minimum of games-on-tape?
Heck, shouldn't it even be entirely doable for just a single person to eyeball and categorize the gameplay of all those individual games in the exact same complex, fastidious way that Synergy does it using current gametapes? Why hasn't some blessed OCD-fueled basketball-loving completist done this yet, for 100% of all extant games on film for This Player, That Player, etc.? Couldn't possibly be harder than cataloguing (82 * 15) games in a single season.
Who's game? And how can it be done satisficiently, with enough good data, to get at a decently-grounded guess at what bpg and spg would've been for all-timers with pre-1974 primes. Would, say, 10 or 20 games be enough? Way more than that needed to rule out a fluke?
Mind you, we're not talking about taking 5 games circa 1965 and extrapolating that into a hypothetical 1964-65 season average. No, more like, taking as many career games as a Russell has on tape, from his rookie season to his final game, hopefully something like the equivalent of a couple months' worth of games in a row from one season. So...about 30 games? And then averaging that, and the result would be a really rough approximation of a career average, but it would at least be based on a sort of random assortment of whatever-games-we-happen-to-have-on-tape-for-that-player, spread thinly throughout a whole career. (Please don't tell me that there are only, like, 10 full games on tape in existence of a pkayer like Russell...?)
wigglestrue wrote:Anyone here know how many full games for 60's stars are a) preserved and b) available?
According to some people, in pretty much every single season they played both Russell and Chamberlain would have threatened or perhaps demolished Eaton's single season record of 5.56 bpg. It's possible that Russell and Chamberlain would've each retired with twice as many career blocks as Kareem. Unadjusted for pace, of course, as per their rebounding. But still, even if adjusted for pace, they would probably co-own the first twenty entries under Most Blocks in a Single Season. If the high end of the anecdotal, journalistic, and rare actual statistical data are correct.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0
I gasped, I lol'd, I wtf'd and holy-****ted, I even got a little watery-eyed, thinking about how Wilt's otherworldliness was...real. It's like seeing Santa Claus IRL, eating cookies. (The histrionic music didn't help.) He was awesome beyond comprehension. This is him before the NBA. If someone described for you what the tall kid for Kansas did, you would not believe it. If that kid were declaring for this draft, he'd be #1 by leaps and bounds. He could not be covered today, or in any day, by anyone. He went from one end of the court to the other faster and moved with more lateral quickness and vertical explosiveness than anyone I've ever seen. He was so awesome, he might have singlehandedly made entire leagues' worth of peers look bad by comparison, like weak competition, when they really weren't. Wilt would absolutely ****ing dominate the game today. He looked, at various moments there, like an unholy cross between Hakeem, Garnett, Russell...except about three inches taller. More of a force than Shaq, I'm convinced of that now. Hey, look: Tim Duncan was the centerpiece for four championships between '99-'07. How many would Wilt have won, in Duncan's place? Shaq won four of the others in that same span. Wilt could've won nine out of those nine years. Unless the 60's Celtics stood in his way, I don't see how anyone stops peak Wilt if he's surrounded by an average-for-a-contender supporting cast.
I gasped, I lol'd, I wtf'd and holy-****ted, I even got a little watery-eyed, thinking about how Wilt's otherworldliness was...real. It's like seeing Santa Claus IRL, eating cookies. (The histrionic music didn't help.) He was awesome beyond comprehension. This is him before the NBA. If someone described for you what the tall kid for Kansas did, you would not believe it. If that kid were declaring for this draft, he'd be #1 by leaps and bounds. He could not be covered today, or in any day, by anyone. He went from one end of the court to the other faster and moved with more lateral quickness and vertical explosiveness than anyone I've ever seen. He was so awesome, he might have singlehandedly made entire leagues' worth of peers look bad by comparison, like weak competition, when they really weren't. Wilt would absolutely ****ing dominate the game today. He looked, at various moments there, like an unholy cross between Hakeem, Garnett, Russell...except about three inches taller. More of a force than Shaq, I'm convinced of that now. Hey, look: Tim Duncan was the centerpiece for four championships between '99-'07. How many would Wilt have won, in Duncan's place? Shaq won four of the others in that same span. Wilt could've won nine out of those nine years. Unless the 60's Celtics stood in his way, I don't see how anyone stops peak Wilt if he's surrounded by an average-for-a-contender supporting cast.
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Not sure about you guys and gals but I don't think I've ever seen MJ's 'kiss the rim' dunk from this angle before...
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wigglestrue wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0
As a Tar Heel alum, I just wanted to point out that at 15:55 Wilt wins the tip-off over Tommy Kearns, who was supposedly shorter than 6 feet .
So when is this plane going down? I'll ride it til' it hits the ground!
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Reservoirdawgs wrote:wigglestrue wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JuK2dVky0
As a Tar Heel alum, I just wanted to point out that at 15:55 Wilt wins the tip-off over Tommy Kearns, who was supposedly shorter than 6 feet .
Wilt could have been pantomiming everything on an empty court by himself and it would've been only slightly less breathtaking.
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