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Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

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Danilo Gallinari
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Nic Batum
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Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby lukekarts on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:36 am

Both play SF, both are similar age, but the similarities end there.

Who do you think is the better player? Or more specifically, excluding contractual situations, who would you rather have over the next few years?
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby LoyalKing on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:41 am

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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby ronnymac2 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:49 am

Gallinari. He and Lawson will be co-anchoring top-5 offenses for Denver if they remain healthy.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Aeternus on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:16 pm

I'm biased, but Gallo. Can do everything Batum does and then some.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Wasabi_Johnson on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:16 pm

I don't even think its close. Gallo easily
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Fitz303 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:21 pm

The numbers are almost identical per minute, with Batum being a more efficient scorer, and a better defender. Gallinari has been putting up the numbers all year though, so I would have to give him the edge for now. But I would be shocked if Batum weren't right there with him by the end of the year. This is a very similar situation to Aldridge last season. Everyone was cautious about his inflated numbers, and wanted to see him do it for an entire season. We'll see if Batum can follow suit.

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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Fitz303 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:22 pm

Aeternus wrote:I'm biased, but Gallo. Can do everything Batum does and then some.


Lol.. you haven't watched the 2 play defense then have you? That is half of the game
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Aeternus on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:28 pm

Fitz303 wrote:The numbers are almost identical per minute, with Batum being a more efficient scorer, and a better defender. Gallinari has been putting up the numbers all year though, so I would have to give him the edge for now. But I would be shocked if Batum weren't right there with him by the end of the year. This is a very similar situation to Aldridge last season. Everyone was cautious about his inflated numbers, and wanted to see him do it for an entire season. We'll see if Batum can follow suit.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2012

Lol.. you haven't watched the 2 play defense then have you? That is half of the game

Are you trolling or just ignorant? Gallo was the best defender for Denver this season. They are basically on the same level as far as defense goes.
And lol at saying that a .6 ppg PER 36, 3.1 ppg non adjusted is almost the same when you then claim in Batum's advantage a .004 TS difference. At least I recognize my biases.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Wasabi_Johnson on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:44 pm

Fitz303 wrote:
Aeternus wrote:I'm biased, but Gallo. Can do everything Batum does and then some.


Lol.. you haven't watched the 2 play defense then have you? That is half of the game

Gallo is no slouch on D. Probably defended Kobe best out of all defenders this year.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Fitz303 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:44 pm

Aeternus wrote:
Fitz303 wrote:The numbers are almost identical per minute, with Batum being a more efficient scorer, and a better defender. Gallinari has been putting up the numbers all year though, so I would have to give him the edge for now. But I would be shocked if Batum weren't right there with him by the end of the year. This is a very similar situation to Aldridge last season. Everyone was cautious about his inflated numbers, and wanted to see him do it for an entire season. We'll see if Batum can follow suit.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2012

Lol.. you haven't watched the 2 play defense then have you? That is half of the game

Are you trolling or just ignorant? Gallo was the best defender for Denver this season. They are basically on the same level as far as defense goes.
And lol at saying that a .6 ppg PER 36, 3.1 ppg non adjusted is almost the same when you then claim in Batum's advantage a .004 TS difference. At least I recognize my biases.


I said it's almost the same per36. Not adjusted, it's clearly Gallo, which is why I said that because Gallo has been doing this all season, I have to give him the overall edge still. As for his efficiency, it has actually gone up since his insertion into the starting lineup. He is shooting .495 from the field. Hence why I said WE'LL SEE if Batum can keep this up for good.

As for the defense. I'm not saying Gallo is a bad defender. Far from it. Sorry if it came across that way, but Batum is a better defender. It's that simple. Drtg has a 5 point difference. He is a much better shot blocker. Especially since switching to SG, Batum has been nothing short of spectacular on defense.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Aeternus on Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:00 pm

It's really unfair to use FG% with a player who scores almost exclusively at the lines and their TS% is basically the same despite Gallo operating on greater volume.
I understood you meant per36, I just wanted to make you notice how ridiculous was to ignore a 0.6 difference to focus on a .004 one. Of course the reasoning doesn't apply if you were referring to FG%, but really there's no reason to use that sta in the first place.

As far as defense goes, sorry if I answered aggressively, but the "lol" seemed to imply that the difference was great enough to make it laughably to compare them. Misunderstanding cleared.
That said, I might not even disagree that Batum is a slightly better defender, but using Drtg makes no sense when Batum plays on a clearly better defensive team where he's not even the best defensive player. His team's overall defensive performance does impact his individual Drtg.
I think that if there's a difference it is quite small.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby JustCame on Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:41 pm

Gallo

He's gonna be a key part in a championship run some time in the next 8 years. I guarantee it.

...not on the Nuggets though.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby Oden2 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:14 pm

Blazer fan here picking Gallo. I think Batum can be on that level but he's not there yet.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby The Sludge on Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:15 pm

As of right now, Gallinari is the better player. I'm actually very high on both of these players, and as a Raptors fan I'd kill to have either Gallinari's offense at our 3 spot or Batum's defense at our 3 spot.

A lot of the comments in this thread state how underrated of a defender Gallinari is. Admittedly, I hadn't watched the Nuggets enough this season to realize that. I think this is where the comparison is decided. Although Gallinari doesn't have the shot blocking ability that Batum has, he seems to have the potential to become as good of a defender as Batum. However, I don't believe Batum has the potetial to become the offensive player that Gallinari should one day become.
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Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

Postby GreenRiddler on Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:53 pm

I think we can safely say Batum better shooter, passer, defender just as good at getting to the line.

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