RealGM 50 Highest Peaks Project Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:26 am
Okay, this thread is intended to serve as the official project thread of the project. For chronology, the project was championed by ardee in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1171505
We had vote about the precise nature of the project here:
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1196094
Voting
Each subsequent thread after this will be intended to award the next spot on our Top 50 list for highest peaks in NBA history. Runoffs may be needed, so it's possible we'll deviate from that from time to time.
When you vote, you'll be voting for a specific player's season, and you need to specify both. You may change your vote at any time before the final deadline, however:
1) When you change your vote, you should do so by editing the post you had previously voted on, and I'd prefer you don't remove the original writing of the post, just make clear edit at the top of the post saying you've changed your mind and giving your new vote. I ask this of you because I don't want to risk errors. Doing it this way will prevent double counts and keep me from going crazy if someone changes something at the last minute ("Wait I could've sworn... ).
2) Running this project complete with regular tallying is a pain. If you want to make sure your vote is counted, don't wait until the last minute. I don't have time to do re-counts simply because someone was fashionably late.
Peaks, not Seasons
We've decided to make this a project about the highest player peaks in history, not the best seasons in history. We're still judging player-seasons, but once a player gets in with his best season, he's out of the conversation for subsequent spots.
Note that with this player-season peak format, a player's seasons will compete against each other and it's possible for a player to get the plurality of votes and still lose. It is considered acceptable to change your vote to help the right player-season win, especially if that means shifting between seasons of the same player.
Keep in mind though generally, that overuse of switching your vote to choose to keep a player-season you're not as impressed with from winning distorts the results and can actually make them look less like your personal rankings than if you'd just stuck with your guns.
Regarding the definition of Peak
With the focus on specific seasons, we're defining peak based on a player's best season. This doesn't mean you can't bring up stuff from the rest of his career that informs understanding of his peak, but this is NOT meant to be a shorter version of the Top 100 project. A player's longevity should not be factoring into your thinking.
By focusing on the season though hopefully it should be clear that you need to tie your arguments to specific impact a player had.
No Nominations
The Top 100 projects always had a Nomination threads. We do not plan to do this here. Just going to jump straight in.
Voting Format
On it's own line, say something like:
Vote: '13 Adam Morrison (assumed to be '12-13)
or
Vote: '12-13 Adam Morrison
Make it easy for me. Also, if you aren't on the Panel, then don't include one of these lines.
Voting Panel
I'll put together the panel in the next few days. Below are people who I already see as on the panel, if you're name isn't on the list and you want it to be, post or PM me. I'll warn you right now that my philosophy is that if I don't know you, then I want to see you show your stuff a bit before I let you in. So, if I say "not yet", show me I'm wrong by participating in the discussion intelligently.
1. ardee
2. Doctor MJ
3. C-izeMe
4. colts18
5. DavidStern
6. DrMufasa
7. drza
8. ElGee
9. JordansBulls
10. Vinsanity420
11. therealbig3
12. Josephpaul
13. ThaRegul8r
14. PTB Fan
15. bastillon
16. SDChargers#1
17. LikeABosh
18. Lightning25
19. fatal9
The List of 50 Highest Peaks in History:
1. Michael Jordan '91, age 27
2. Shaquille O'Neal '00, age 27
3. Bill Russell '65, age 30
4. Wilt Chamberlain '67, age 30
5. Hakeem Olajuwon '94, age 31
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar '77, age 29
7. Larry Bird '86, age 29
8. Magic Johnson '87, age 27
9. Tim Duncan '03, age 26
10. LeBron James '09, age 24
11. Kevin Garnett '04, age 27
12. Bill Walton '77, age 24
13. Julius Erving '76, age 25
14. Oscar Robertson '63, age 24
15. Kobe Bryant '08, age 29
16. David Robinson '95, age 29
17. Dwyane Wade '09, age 27
18. Dirk Nowitzki '11, age 32
19. Patrick Ewing '90, age 27
20. Steve Nash '05, age 30
21. Jerry West '66, age 27
22. Chris Paul '08, age 22
23. Charles Barkley '93, age 29
24. Moses Malone '83, age 27
25. Tracy McGrady '03, age 23
26. Karl Malone '98, age 34
27. Scottie Pippen '95, age 29
28. Penny Hardaway '96, age 24
29. Elgin Baylor '61, age 26
30. Dwight Howard '11, age 25
31. Rick Barry '75, age 30
32. Kevin Durant '12, age 23
33. Kevin McHale '87, age 29
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1171505
We had vote about the precise nature of the project here:
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1196094
Voting
Each subsequent thread after this will be intended to award the next spot on our Top 50 list for highest peaks in NBA history. Runoffs may be needed, so it's possible we'll deviate from that from time to time.
When you vote, you'll be voting for a specific player's season, and you need to specify both. You may change your vote at any time before the final deadline, however:
1) When you change your vote, you should do so by editing the post you had previously voted on, and I'd prefer you don't remove the original writing of the post, just make clear edit at the top of the post saying you've changed your mind and giving your new vote. I ask this of you because I don't want to risk errors. Doing it this way will prevent double counts and keep me from going crazy if someone changes something at the last minute ("Wait I could've sworn... ).
2) Running this project complete with regular tallying is a pain. If you want to make sure your vote is counted, don't wait until the last minute. I don't have time to do re-counts simply because someone was fashionably late.
Peaks, not Seasons
We've decided to make this a project about the highest player peaks in history, not the best seasons in history. We're still judging player-seasons, but once a player gets in with his best season, he's out of the conversation for subsequent spots.
Note that with this player-season peak format, a player's seasons will compete against each other and it's possible for a player to get the plurality of votes and still lose. It is considered acceptable to change your vote to help the right player-season win, especially if that means shifting between seasons of the same player.
Keep in mind though generally, that overuse of switching your vote to choose to keep a player-season you're not as impressed with from winning distorts the results and can actually make them look less like your personal rankings than if you'd just stuck with your guns.
Regarding the definition of Peak
With the focus on specific seasons, we're defining peak based on a player's best season. This doesn't mean you can't bring up stuff from the rest of his career that informs understanding of his peak, but this is NOT meant to be a shorter version of the Top 100 project. A player's longevity should not be factoring into your thinking.
By focusing on the season though hopefully it should be clear that you need to tie your arguments to specific impact a player had.
No Nominations
The Top 100 projects always had a Nomination threads. We do not plan to do this here. Just going to jump straight in.
Voting Format
On it's own line, say something like:
Vote: '13 Adam Morrison (assumed to be '12-13)
or
Vote: '12-13 Adam Morrison
Make it easy for me. Also, if you aren't on the Panel, then don't include one of these lines.
Voting Panel
I'll put together the panel in the next few days. Below are people who I already see as on the panel, if you're name isn't on the list and you want it to be, post or PM me. I'll warn you right now that my philosophy is that if I don't know you, then I want to see you show your stuff a bit before I let you in. So, if I say "not yet", show me I'm wrong by participating in the discussion intelligently.
1. ardee
2. Doctor MJ
3. C-izeMe
4. colts18
5. DavidStern
6. DrMufasa
7. drza
8. ElGee
9. JordansBulls
10. Vinsanity420
11. therealbig3
12. Josephpaul
13. ThaRegul8r
14. PTB Fan
15. bastillon
16. SDChargers#1
17. LikeABosh
18. Lightning25
19. fatal9
The List of 50 Highest Peaks in History:
1. Michael Jordan '91, age 27
2. Shaquille O'Neal '00, age 27
3. Bill Russell '65, age 30
4. Wilt Chamberlain '67, age 30
5. Hakeem Olajuwon '94, age 31
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar '77, age 29
7. Larry Bird '86, age 29
8. Magic Johnson '87, age 27
9. Tim Duncan '03, age 26
10. LeBron James '09, age 24
11. Kevin Garnett '04, age 27
12. Bill Walton '77, age 24
13. Julius Erving '76, age 25
14. Oscar Robertson '63, age 24
15. Kobe Bryant '08, age 29
16. David Robinson '95, age 29
17. Dwyane Wade '09, age 27
18. Dirk Nowitzki '11, age 32
19. Patrick Ewing '90, age 27
20. Steve Nash '05, age 30
21. Jerry West '66, age 27
22. Chris Paul '08, age 22
23. Charles Barkley '93, age 29
24. Moses Malone '83, age 27
25. Tracy McGrady '03, age 23
26. Karl Malone '98, age 34
27. Scottie Pippen '95, age 29
28. Penny Hardaway '96, age 24
29. Elgin Baylor '61, age 26
30. Dwight Howard '11, age 25
31. Rick Barry '75, age 30
32. Kevin Durant '12, age 23
33. Kevin McHale '87, age 29