StojkoVrankovic wrote:GetItDone wrote:Deron is the better shooter, better PnR, both same in protecting the ball, and he's a better passer.
Where is the great Rondo passing on a consistent basis? I don't see it. He has his flashy passes here and there, but majority of his assists are tossing it over to shooters for a pick and pop.
Better shooter? I guess he just took last year off
Better PnR? Rondo/Kg was among the best on the league
Same protecting the ball? Rondo is better
Dwill is a better passer? We talking about basketball here? Rondo is an elite passer/playmaker. This is coming from someone who lives in NY and has easily seen more DWill than you over the last few years.
Where are DWill's great passes? Heck of a lot less than Rondo
Yes he's a better shooter, even with the way he shot last year. And that was one bad shooting season from him, every other year he's been a great shooter. But even last year:
Deron: 34% from 3 (6.2 3PA/game), 84% from the line (5.5 FTA/game), 39% from 16-23 feet (4.5 FGA/game)
Rondo: 24% from 3 (0.8 3PA/game), 60% from the line (3.4 FTA/game), 39% from 16-23 feet (2.9 FGA/game)
Deron is better in the PnR because he's a comparable passer that shoots a lot better. He's a significantly greater offensive threat. I mean, have you seen how easy KG makes Rondo's job? And despite Rondo/KG being one of the best in the league, the Celtics had a worse offense than the Nets last year. Who had better offensive talent around them?
Deron averaged 3.9 TO per 36 last year. Rondo averaged 3.6 TO per 36 last year. Deron's TOV% last year was 16.7%. Rondo's was 22.8%. I'd say on a team with much less offensive support and thus facing much more defensive pressure, Deron took care of the ball better.
Rondo might be a better technical passer than Deron, but not really by much, and the reason why people notice Rondo's assists more is because that's pretty much ALL he does on offense, while Deron also looks to score at times. And anyway, it's about the overall pressure you put on the defense, and Deron puts more pressure on the defense, because he's an extremely capable scorer that can "take over" if he needs to. Rondo is an excellent passer, but he also overpasses a lot, because he can't effectively score on a consistent basis.
And the "I live in NY and so I watch a ton of games" is such a cop-out excuse...so what? You've watched every second of every game? And you don't conveniently "forget" Deron's great passes, even accidentally? And just because he's not as flashy with his passes and tends to make the basic, effective passes when they are available doesn't mean he's any less impressive as a passer (even though I admit that Rondo is a slightly better passer from a technical standpoint). I mean, this is like the J-Kidd vs Nash debate in terms of who's the better passer. Yeah, you could argue Kidd, because he was a frikin awesome passer with amazing court vision...but does it even matter? At the end of the day, Nash is a much more dangerous offensive player, and his passing has more impact than Kidd's.
