Wilt vs Shaq at their peaks

[MacGill]

Stripped at will? Careless safety of the ball? What are you watching?

Ah, Dipper13, I was wondering when you'd chime in. You know what I am talking about because it is in the video footage you helped provide.

He simply wasn't a great dribbler but defenses rarely pressured him in the post while dribbling which would cause turnovers. And if he picked up his dribble he would use his 'around the world' palm ball technique or keep the ball out in the open ready to be swiped.

And what are some the video examples where you were impressed with these four players?

Remember no highlights, only game footage.

Limited as well but there are some few full games (random) however the difference is even in the highlight reel footage it is clear that they had advanced skill back then even if more of a primitive technique was used. I've said this to you before on Wilt's full games I have watched where he looks less then even human.

I give his dues and it is noted through this thread but Shaq was just a better model overall. That doesn't mean though that he was better in every aspect of the game versus Wilt.

[Dipper 13]

You know what I am talking about because it is in the video footage you helped provide.

No I do not. Please show me.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Hal15Greer

I give his dues and it is noted through this thread but Shaq was just a better model overall. That doesn't mean though that he was better in every aspect of the game versus Wilt.

My comments have nothing to do with Shaq or anyone else. Lets ignore the fact that Wilt had a vice grip and perhaps the best hands of any big man ever. The idea that he would be "stripped at will" is essentially saying he'd be a liability on the offensive end.

but defenses rarely pressured him in the post while dribbling

There is a reason for that. He would hit one of the constantly moving cutters, like he does here.

And if he picked up his dribble he would use his 'around the world' palm ball technique or keep the ball out in the open ready to be swiped.

This was not a player who over dribbled like you are implying. It was quite the opposite actually. His go to move in prime was a one bounce drop step. Not a jump double hop skip bounce travel like so many centers in more recent memory have done. Just one step in which he covered a great deal of ground in one huge stride, like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnu5vMfPtbw&t=3m30s


Show me his poor "handling" ability in the above game footage. Even for one second.

[kasino]

I feel Wilt clearly has the edge defensively, DPOY capability
Depending on what Wilt's rebounding would translate to in today's game I would go with wilt, I'm sure it would be league leader territory
Edge scoring wise to Shaq

[wenzi]

no one is going to blk wilt's shots coz this will called goaltending

[wenzi]

Wilt's "dominance" is overrated.

Adjusting for pace and mpg his playoff scoring pace or (volume) during his high scoring years is generally nothing special and his efficiency was absolutely terrible in many of the years and rarely better then mediocre/average.

Yeah he had one or two seasons where he averaged many assists but he did so by stat padding and taking a very small role as an individual scorer.
Outside of that he was a generally poor or mediocre passer.

There was nothing Shaq couldn't do better then Wilt besides rebounding.
Shaq is the most dominant ever... the crown will forever be his.

JABBAR IS MUCH MORE UNSTOPPABLE THAN SHAQ EVER BEEN,MUCH BETTER DEFENDER THAN SHAQ,SHAQ IS OVERRATED

I watched many old videos, looks like the truth is opposite to those capital letters.

jabbar will own shaq,shaq will not able to blks jabbar's sky hook shot
shaq's prime against weak center,someone like old mutombo,divac,rik simits

[wenzi]

Stripped at will? Careless safety of the ball? What are you watching?

Ah, Dipper13, I was wondering when you'd chime in. You know what I am talking about because it is in the video footage you helped provide.

He simply wasn't a great dribbler but defenses rarely pressured him in the post while dribbling which would cause turnovers. And if he picked up his dribble he would use his 'around the world' palm ball technique or keep the ball out in the open ready to be swiped.

And what are some the video examples where you were impressed with these four players?

Remember no highlights, only game footage.

Limited as well but there are some few full games (random) however the difference is even in the highlight reel footage it is clear that they had advanced skill back then even if more of a primitive technique was used. I've said this to you before on Wilt's full games I have watched where he looks less then even human.

I give his dues and it is noted through this thread but Shaq was just a better model overall. That doesn't mean though that he was better in every aspect of the game versus Wilt.

ya ! shaq against weak center era

[Johnlac1]

The problem is that there were two or three Chamberlains depending on what age you're looking at him. The Wilt that most people see from the games available on the internet are those of his late years when he was 300 lbs or more, near the end of his career, and had lost a lot of skills and quickness. There are virtually no full games available of Wilt from his 50 pts. a game early sixties stage when he wasn't quite as muscular and heavy. That Wilt was a determined scorer, rebounder, shot-blocker who played virtually every minute of every game. And even if the competition other than Russell (and later Thurmond and Reed) was not like today, the pace was much faster. It's a shame there are no full games of Wilt from that era. But there are near full games of him at Kansas where you can get and idea of the speed and and shooting skills of the young Wilt. That Wilt also got out on the break and occasionally handled the ball. But by his thirties that Wilt had disappeared. Wilt even had a good hook shot in his early NBA days, but I never saw him take one after he hit thirty. Still a tremendous rebounder, defensive player, and very smart player, but nowhere near the offensive threat of his youth.

[GAME TIME]

Wilt was clearly the better defender..

Wilt was a beter offensive player too.

Wilt was just better

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[nolunch]

Wilt was clearly the better defender..

Wilt was a beter offensive player too.

Wilt was just better

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You know Wilt disappeared in playoffs ?

[Gregoire]

Wilt was clearly the better defender..

Wilt was a beter offensive player too.

Wilt was just better

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yes, Wilt was way better in D end.

[Sharifani_San]

Wilt was clearly the better defender..

Wilt was a beter offensive player too.

Wilt was just better

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You know Wilt disappeared in playoffs ?

i would say its more appropriate to say he disappeared in the game 7s of 1968, 1969, and 1970. 1960, 1962, and 1965 were a very different matter.

actually, he pulled a disappearing act all throughout the 1968-1969 year because of the relationship with van breda koff, going from being the MVP in 3 consecutive seasons to not even in the discussion.

[kasino]

Better defensively, as a passer and rebounder
I d want to say Shaq might could be the better scorer but ever so slightly a d Wilt is more explosive
7 finals in a 14 year career, I'm taking Chamberlain

[GAME TIME]

Wilt is the most dominant ever.

His stats are unmatched.
He played both end of the floor.
Tremendous shot blocker.
Crazy rebounder, passer, scorer, huge hands, the guy was unreal

Wilt

[JordansBulls]

Wilt is the most dominant ever.

His stats are unmatched.
He played both end of the floor.
Tremendous shot blocker.
Crazy rebounder, passer, scorer, huge hands, the guy was unreal

Wilt

Until you realize how much his numbers dropped from season to playoffs. For instance, as much talk as he gets for his scoring feats, he played more games than both Baylor and West in the playoffs and has less 40+ and 30+ point games than they do.

[Sharifani_San]

Wilt is the most dominant ever.

His stats are unmatched.
He played both end of the floor.
Tremendous shot blocker.
Crazy rebounder, passer, scorer, huge hands, the guy was unreal

Wilt

Until you realize how much his numbers dropped from season to playoffs. For instance, as much talk as he gets for his scoring feats, he played more games than both Baylor and West in the playoffs and has less 40+ and 30+ point games than they do.

thats because most of his playoff games came from 1967-1973. But his scoring did drop in the playoffs regardless, but that was because he focused more on defense and rebounding, which is why you see higher rebounding #s despite slower pace.