Kemba v Knight.

KembaWalker · Post #61 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:22 am

I don't see how its trolling to say Kemba is much better than Knight and that he's a scrub by comparison. Kemba's a 19+ PER player right now and Knight is hovering around 13-14. Is it trolling to say Jeremy Pargo is a scrub compared to Stephen Curry/Deron Williams? I don't think so. They are on different tiers right now. Its not like we're using a 5 game sample size here anymore we're over a quarter of the way through the season and this goes back to last year as well. :-?

Blkbrd671 · Post #62 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:07 am

KembaWalker wrote:I don't see how its trolling to say Kemba is much better than Knight and that he's a scrub by comparison. Kemba's a 19+ PER player right now and Knight is hovering around 13-14. Is it trolling to say Jeremy Pargo is a scrub compared to Stephen Curry/Deron Williams? I don't think so. They are on different tiers right now. Its not like we're using a 5 game sample size here anymore we're over a quarter of the way through the season and this goes back to last year as well.

You compare Kemba Walker to Deron williams and stephen curry and say your not a troll. That's sig material right there.

orangeparka · Post #63 » by **orangeparka** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:56 am

Kemba easily. He's basically a poor man's D-Rose right now.

Knight... I dunno. Not really that good at anything and is ineffcient scoring and passing-wise. I feel he's talented and has physical tools but no real position.

SWedd523 · Post #64 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:32 am

Who knew Detroit fans were so sensitive

Post #65 » by **rrravenred** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:06 am

Right, I'm on the verge of locking this thread if I see any more baiting by anyone. I don't care if you're a Detroit fan, a Charlotte fan, Kemba's agent or Brandon's mother.

Feel free to debate the players, as long as you actually take the time to have an argument, rather than throw peanut shells from the cheap seats, but any more cheap abuse will see this eyesore of a thread condemned to the darkest pits available to me as a moderator to put it in. Clear?

Blkbrd671 · Post #66 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:24 am

rrravenred wrote:Right, I'm on the verge of locking this thread if I see any more baiting by anyone. I don't care if you're a Detroit fan, a Charlotte fan, Kemba's agent or Brandon's mother.

Feel free to debate the players, as long as you actually take the time to have an argument, rather than throw peanut shells from the cheap seats, but any more cheap abuse will see this eyesore of a thread condemned to the darkest pits available to me as a moderator to put it in. Clear?

That would be page 843.

You should just lock it up, if you read the past 5 pages its nothing but crap with 0 relevant debate and troling left and right. i don't see why keeping it open is going to change that.

Kemba Walker tonight:

24 points(FG 37%, 3pt 33%) 1 reb, 6 asst,4 TO's, 1 Stl

Brandon Knight tonight:

22 points (FG 44%. 3pt. 33%) 3reb , 4asst, 2 TO's, 2stls

*both teams lost

Blkbrd671 · Post #67 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:12 am

Kemba Tonight

17pt (FG 43%, 3pt. 50%) 2reb, 6 assist, 1 Steal, 2 TO's

Knight Last Night

20 pt. (FG 50%, 3pt 40%) 4reb, 5 assist, 1 steal, 1 TO

Both Teams lost

JustinSane · Post #68 » by **JustinSane** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:12 pm

Season per 36 minute stats:

Knight 16.65 PPG, 5.55 APG, 4.1 RPG, .67 SPG, 3.55 TOPG, 42.9% FG%, 45% 3P%, 77.4% FT%, 13.1 shot attempts

Walker 17.85 PPG, 6.12 APG, 3.16 RPG, 2.04 SPG, 2.24 TOPG, 42% FG%, 29.7% 3P%, 80.4% FT%, 15.4 shot attempts

Knight last season: 14.2 PPG, 4.2 APG, 3.55 RPG, .77 SPG, 2.87 TOPG, %41.5 FG%, 38% 3P%, 75.9% FT%, 12.9 shot attempts.

This season is pretty close. I think Walker has been better, as he's played 3 more minutes/game and is shouldering a heavier burden for his team right now. Turnovers and steals are also important for PGs, and Walker has been better with both. Knight is the more efficient scorer due to much better three point shooting and the better rebounder. So far it's kind of silly though to argue either is vastly superior to the other. They are both good young PGs. Knight is 19 months younger and has significantly less basketball experience (Walker had a notably productive collegiate career), and I think it's reasonable, though far from certain, to project that Knight will be at least as good in 19 months as Walker is right now, given the progress he's made since last season. Knight is shooting better than last season from the floor, the FT line, and from 3, and his rebounding and assists are up as well. He just better at everything compared to last year.

Given the age and experience gap, it might be interesting to compare Knight's per 36 numbers this year with Walker's last year (and Knight now is still slightly younger than Walker then):

Walker 16.09 PPG, 5.85 APG, 4.65 RPG, 1.2 SPG, 2.39 TOPG, 36.6% FG%, 30.5% 3P%, 78.9% FT%, 15.46 shot attempts

Knight 16.65 PPG, 5.55 APG, 4.1 RPG, .67 SPG, 3.55 TOPG, 42.9% FG%, 45% 3P%, 77.4% FT%, 13.1 shot attempts

Here, Knight is certainly no worse than Walker's equal.

We just won't know who will end up better for years - they are too close.

KembaWalker · Post #69 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:58 pm

i guess blkbrd forgot to update the stats last night

thruthefire · Post #70 » by **thruthefire** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:24 pm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2013

Knight: 52.7 TS%, 23.3 USG%, 25.9 AST%, 18.3 TOV%
Kemba: 51.8 TS%, 24.8 USG%, 31.8 AST%, 10.7 TOV%

It would be interesting to see how much Kemba would benefit from playing with a post player like Monroe. For two years now, he's easily had to play with the worst collection of fours and fives in the league. But despite that, Kemba has clearly been the much more effective point guard so far.

Also noteworthy is Kemba's new-found three-point shooting. I said a while back that he had the form and dedication to shoot right around 40% from three. Over the last 14 games, he's at Brandon Knight's field goal percentage--40.3 percent.

KembaWalker · Post #71 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:39 am

Kemba is flat out better than Knight unquestionably. Thats why the new debate is Kemba vs Lillard and the like, Knight is just a bottom tier PG at this point given the talent around the league. detriot fans are grasping to Drummond over MKG now but I'm sure that will end poorly for them as well. but thats for another thread

ComboGuardCity · Post #72 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:07 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Kemba is flat out better than Knight unquestionably. Thats why the new debate is Kemba vs Lillard and the like, Knight is just a bottom tier PG at this point given the talent around the league. detriot fans are grasping to Drummond over MKG now but I'm sure that will end poorly for them as well. but thats for another thread

You cant say someone is in a high tier when his team has lost 15 straight. Sorry.

Blkbrd671 · Post #73 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:56 am

CGC let it be. He's just going around trolling.

Majority of non char posters have lillard> Kemba. Yes a rookie>sophmore. I'm pretty sure they'll eventually create a Kemba vs Paul discussion. Seems majority of those threads are reassurance threads for certain fans.

Additionally majority of non char fans and some char fans have AD1>MKG in that thread. So i don't know why he's bringing it up.

Back to the relevant topic

Knight has slowed a bit and kemba had a good game, but followed it up with a bad one. So there is really nothing to discuss. Both players can't translate their production to wins or remain a consistent threat. This thread is dead until Jan 6th

KembaWalker · Post #74 » by **KembaWalker** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:20 pm

interesting update as it seems Brandon Knight finally has gotten benched for his inconsistent play. 23 minutes in a double overtime game and Will Bynum goes off. i wonder if Detroit still views him as a core piece going forward. they are doing their twin towers Monroe and Drummond a disservice playing them with a bunch of combo guards. a pick and roll pass first guy should be their target. i bet Kendall Marshall could be had for cheap!! him and Drummond in the pick and roll would be nasty

ComboGuardCity · Post #75 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 11:50 pm

They play each other tonight. Kemba has the better stats throughout the season, but I can't really say it means anything seeing as how its not translating to even close games.

KembaWalker · Post #76 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:13 am

Kemba 9/23 20pt 7ast 2stl 1blk 3to

Knight 5/11 12pt 4ast 0stl1blk 4to

neither had an especially good box score. Knight played solid D but Kemba took it to him in overtime and put the team on his back for victory however

Elden Payton · Post #77 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 7:42 am

I'm actually honestly starting to think Knight is a shooting guard.

I think @KembaWalker was wrong with Knight's stats, he had one assist and four turnovers.

orangeparka · Post #78 » by **orangeparka** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 10:52 am

I really like Knight's physical tools and length, but he's just so inconsistent and combo guard-ish.

KembaWalker · Post #79 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:12 pm

Sik Infant wrote:I'm actually honestly starting to think Knight is a shooting guard.

I think @KembaWalker was wrong with Knight's stats, he had one assist and four turnovers.

woops I was looking at rebounds

Elden Payton · Post #80 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:37 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I'm actually honestly starting to think Knight is a shooting guard.

I think @KembaWalker was wrong with Knight's stats, he had one assist and four turnovers.

woops I was looking at rebounds

14/4/1 is a decent stat line regardless of the four turnovers as he is a combo guard, I think he will develop into a legit point in time and all the tools are there, obviously one assist doesn't cut the mustard but assists are a funny stat as one assist on one night can be four on another.

Point guards require seasoning that Knight doesn't have yet and I imagine being a one and done at the hardest position to play both offensively and defensively and a transition period is inevitable.

Kemba is an odd one as we as the Bobcats are obviously very bad but we do have some talented players, this season whether Kemba is scoring or not he has been our best player clearly.

For the situation he is in he has done tremendously.