mavs_dachamps wrote:Thanks for the feed back. Kinda what I was looking 4.
I will admit I'm am bias towards Jason Kidd he was my favorite player growing up as a kid. An I played point guard all through Highschool an middle school an he was the guy I tried to emulate. But I don't understand why he is rated so low. The only deference between him an magic is about 5 inches haha. No but seriously there about the same Magic is slightly better score, rebounder, an assist wise, plus he is better in the full court because no one is as good as Magic in the full court. However the assists can(?) slightly be attributed that the Showtime Lakers were stacked with talent. But Kidd is a better an smarter defender plus better in the half court.
Isaiah however is the one of the few exceptions to the rule that star point guards don't win championships. I can't see any valid arguments for Nash, Payton, an Stockton over Isiah. He average 22/9 an was one of the most feared score an pass point guards of all time.
With Pippen I've said countless times he's one of the most underrated players of all time. When Jordan was retired he averaged 22/9/6/3 plus is IMO the best perimeter defender of all time. Plus he finished 3rd in MVP voting an probably should have won. But criticism an off court issues held him back.
Mailman- yeah I agree I just think the 26 players I put above him are just as good if not better. I think 24-27 are crazy close.
If you want more feedback, I'd like to say that I could never understand why so many people rank Dominique Wilkins easily over Alex English. Nique at 33 and Alex at 51 is IMO way too big of a gap. Personally, I rank English a bit higher. Other than being a spectacular dunker, what else does he really have over English?
English was a more efficient scorer on a very similar volume (in their primes, I mean), better defender (Wilkins had all the tools to be an excellent defender, but never really gave too much effort) and playmaker (he even played point forward for short stretches, Nique never did). Wilkins was a bit better rebounder and took a bit better care of the ball (but that's mostly because English was more of a playmaker, created more for others, while Wilkins was pretty much just a scorer), and better as far as drawing fouls.
Neither played a lot of games in the playoffs (English played 68, Wilkins 56), but English looks better. He was every bit as good in the playoffs as he was in the regular season, while Wilkins (who wasn't an especially efficient scorer even in the RS, compared to some of the other high scoring SFs in the 80s like Dantley, English, King, even Aguirre) clearly declined in the postseason in terms of efficiency. It was a bit easier to slow down Nique, if you clogged the paint, because his jumpshot was much less reliable than English's. English did most of his damage from the midrange area, 15-20 feet, and he was money on those jumpers (and his shot was basically impossible to bother, as he released the ball so damn high).
Both guys had great longevity (English actually scored more points during the 80s than any other player). Nique's prime was a bit longer (9.5 seasons with 25+ PPG, English had 8), but they played basically the same amount of minutes (about 38000 in the RS, and a bit more than 2000 in the playoffs).
Alex English vs Dominique Wilkins is a lot like Paul Pierce vs Vince Carter - one guy (Nique and Vince) got a lot more publicity because he was such a spectacular athlete and dunker, but the other guy was a bit more efficient, better in the playoffs, and more fundamentally sound. For me, it's a really weird phenomenon that most people rank Pierce over Carter, but not English over Wilkins. That's inconsistent.
English vs Wilkins is certainly close, I don't want my post to look like an anti-Nique tirade, where I highlight just his flaws, but I just want to say that everyone should at least admit that Alex and Nique are very close, even if they prefer Wlkins. I really don't see any reason to have them ranked more than 5 spots apart from each other.
), he still has 2 titles and 4 Finals appearances as the best player on his team, which is literally more than than the vast majority of all-time greats. It's hilarious how wanna tear down Bryant for having Shaq, but have Oscar and West ahead even though each only have 1 ring, and neither were the best players on their team.