The Lebron Thread (2014-15 Pt. 2)

The Realist · Post #1381 » by **The Realist** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 11:13 am

ardee wrote:For once I do agree with JB.

This MVP talk is way premature. 29-20 in the East is PATHETIC. PATHETIC.

You don't win an MVP based on half a season, at least you shouldn't. With him underperforming the Cavs were barely a .500 team the first half, and that should count against him.

How is 18-12 (18-13 if you count the Thunder game) barely .500? That's not great, but still almost 50 win pace. Also, I can't believe people will think the missed games will only harm his campaign. The player is Lebron James and the league is NBA, probably the most individual-focused team sport league in the world. Sure, the 10 games will hurt him and he absolutely can't miss anymore, but the 2-8 record in those games will be regurgitated in the media if he is in the hunt for MVP. They're now 5th in the win percentage in the games he's played.

Also, you seem to hold the level of play Lebron has produced in previous years against him, which seems unfair. He was still comfortably the best player on his team and playing like a top-10 player in the league at least. 30 games of that, then 10 games out with his team looking horrible, followed by 40 games of playing like clearly the best player in the world. That isn't too bad of a story IMO.

The Realist · Post #1382 » by **The Realist** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 11:14 am

Altghough I agree as well, Hawks & Warriors really would need to start losing right about now.

Joao Saraiva · Post #1383 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 12:19 pm

It's all about the big picture. If Cleveland wins 20+ in a row and LeBron keeps raising his stats the way he has done lately, he can win the MVP award. Curry's stats are going down right now, and even had some losses. It all depends a bit on what Curry has to offer and on GSW record.

He's not the front runner, but he has a chance of winning it.

Run DLC · Post #1384 » by **Run DLC** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 2:24 pm

800 points away from 25k. I'd like to see him score 30+ points in the next upcoming games. With Kobe being out for the rest of the year, LeBron will finally catches up to him in total career assists.

Run DLC · Post #1385 » by **Run DLC** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 2:31 pm

He can't be missing anymore games. He needs to go on a big run to make for the games he has missed. If Kyrie were to sit a few games out, LeBron would probably put up multiple 40 point games.

JordansBulls · Post #1386 » by **JordansBulls** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 5:44 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:It's all about the big picture. If Cleveland wins 20+ in a row and LeBron keeps raising his stats the way he has done lately, he can win the MVP award. Curry's stats are going down right now, and even had some losses. It all depends a bit on what Curry has to offer and on GSW record.

He's not the front runner, but he has a chance of winning it.

He already has missed 10 games and doesn't have the best stats and before he went down they were the 5 seed which they still are. Which would be the 8th seed out west. Not to mention they were losing before he even started missing games and you forget the trade is what changes everything for the Cavs.

Mazter · Post #1387 » by **Mazter** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 6:00 pm

ardee wrote:For once I do agree with JB.

This MVP talk is way premature. 29-20 in the East is PATHETIC. PATHETIC.

You don't win an MVP based on half a season, at least you shouldn't. With him underperforming the Cavs were barely a .500 team the first half, and that should count against him.

If those voters also suffer from memory loss like you do and twist the actual events like you do, then indeed, he doesn't stand a chance.

Fact is that they started 18-11 with him in the lineup. This is including a 5-7 start when team chemistry wasn't there quiet yet. They are 22-5 ever since with LeBron in the line up.

Joao Saraiva · Post #1388 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:16 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:It's all about the big picture. If Cleveland wins 20+ in a row and LeBron keeps raising his stats the way he has done lately, he can win the MVP award. Curry's stats are going down right now, and even had some losses. It all depends a bit on what Curry has to offer and on GSW record.

He's not the front runner, but he has a chance of winning it.

He already has missed 10 games and doesn't have the best stats and before he went down they were the 5 seed which they still are. Which would be the 8th seed out west. Not to mention they were losing before he even started missing games and you forget the trade is what changes everything for the Cavs.

That's a nice way to put it. The trade changed everything for the Cavs. LeBron shooting a much better %, scoring much more, etc. has nothing to do with it. Really the Cavs would go 82-0 without him. As biased as it gets.

The trades helped Cleveland, LeBron playing healthy helped them too. But we all knew that would be your argument because we've seen where you stand.

ardee · Post #1389 » by **ardee** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 7:48 pm

Mazter wrote:
ardee wrote:For once I do agree with JB.

This MVP talk is way premature. 29-20 in the East is PATHETIC. PATHETIC.

You don't win an MVP based on half a season, at least you shouldn't. With him underperforming the Cavs were barely a .500 team the first half, and that should count against him.

If those voters also suffer from memory loss like you do and twist the actual events like you do, then indeed, he doesn't stand a chance.

Fact is that they started 18-11 with him in the lineup. This is including a 5-7 start when team chemistry wasn't there quiet yet. They are 22-5 ever since with LeBron in the line up.

The 'him in the lineup' thing is not an excuse. You can't use missed games as a benefit. If that was the case, 2011 Dirk should've been the comfortable MVP.

colts18 · Post #1390 » by **colts18** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 8:04 pm

SSB, do you have SRS data of the Heat this year in comparison to last year?

Ursusamericanus · Post #1391 » by **Ursusamericanus** » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:19 pm

He's currently 615 points behind Patrick Ewing, who currently sits at #20 on the all-time scoring list. For him to pass Ewing and end this season in the top 20, assuming he plays the remaining 33 games on the schedule, he needs to average just 18.7 PPG.

RSCD3_ · Post #1392 » by **RSCD3_** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 5:27 am

in his last game he passed Reggie Miller on the WS list

He is now 16th all time trailing Chuck by 2.7 WS

Greatness · Post #1393 » by **Greatness** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 5:57 am

I'm of the opinion that missed games hurt your MVP case, regardless of how the team performed without you. If you didn't play in those games you didn't bring any value to your team in those games. Doesn't matter if they go 2-8 or 8-2 without you, it hurts your overall value to the season.

Greatness · Post #1394 » by **Greatness** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:07 am

On another note, how seriously should we take his chances of winning the scoring title? He's at 26.4 compared to 27.0 for Harden.

Dupp · Post #1395 » by **Dupp** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 6:20 am

Greatness wrote:On another note, how seriously should we take his chances of winning the scoring title? He's at 26.4 compared to 27.0 for Harden.

Given Dwights injury it's hard to see him catching Harden imo.

Mazter · Post #1396 » by **Mazter** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:19 pm

Dupp wrote:
Greatness wrote:On another note, how seriously should we take his chances of winning the scoring title? He's at 26.4 compared to 27.0 for Harden.

Given Dwights injury it's hard to see him catching Harden imo.

Scoring in 2015:
LeBron James 29.9
Carmelo Anthony 25.9
Klay Thompson 25.9
LaMarcus Aldridge 25.9
James Harden 25.8

If it stays like that he is going to get it.

Mazter · Post #1397 » by **Mazter** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 1:33 pm

ardee wrote:The 'him in the lineup' thing is not an excuse. You can't use missed games as a benefit. If that was the case, 2011 Dirk should've been the comfortable MVP.

The 'him in the lineup' is just part of the narrative, not the main reason. Dirk was not close to being the best player in 2011. While LeBron is still the best player. His numbers in 2015 are better than anyone else. And if it stays that way till the end, that is what the voters are going to remember.

Ursusamericanus · Post #1398 » by **Ursusamericanus** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:42 pm

Mazter wrote:Scoring in 2015:
LeBron James 29.9
Carmelo Anthony 25.9
Klay Thompson 25.9
LaMarcus Aldridge 25.9
James Harden 25.8

If it stays like that he is going to get it.

Especially considering his usual February burst. He very well could get his second scoring title this season.

The Realist · Post #1399 » by **The Realist** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:48 pm

Isn't Durant going to get qualified for the scoring title at some point? He's only 1.3 points behind Lebron and I think he'll start scoring more with extended minutes out of necessity of trying to get into the playoffs.

MisterHibachi · Post #1400 » by **MisterHibachi** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 5:00 pm

The Realist wrote:Isn't Durant going to get qualified for the scoring title at some point? He's only 1.3 points behind Lebron and I think he'll start scoring more with extended minutes out of necessity of trying to get into the playoffs.

Qualifications are 70 games or 1400 points. He's already missed 25 games so he's not gonna play 70 games. He's sitting at 552 points right now. So he needs 848 points in the remaining 35 games, an average of 24.2. Barring some injury, he's definitely gonna qualify.