Is this pretty much the Lock Top 5 Right now?

mdonnelly1989 · Post #1 » by **mdonnelly1989** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:46 pm

LBJ
KD
Curry
CP3
Davis

te887848 · Post #2 » by **te887848** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:10 pm

With Westbrook instead of Paul, sure.

HornetJail · Post #3 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:12 pm

LeBron
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Harden

for me. Davis is a very close 6th

Jaivl · Post #4 » by **Jaivl** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:29 pm

There isn't such a thing.

RSCD3_ · Post #5 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:10 pm

I don't know, I feel like chris paul has regressed this year

magicmerl · Post #6 » by **magicmerl** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:19 pm

So it looks like there's a top 3 and then another 4-5 players in the mix.

Effercon · Post #7 » by **Effercon** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:07 am

Curry
Davis
Harden
LeBron
KD

Post #8 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:55 pm

mdonnelly1989 wrote:LBJ
KD
Curry
CP3
Davis

There's no lock, since people disagree, but if asked to name the top 5 players in the world, those would be my 5 as well.

Clearly people are feeling a big pull to put Westbrook in, but to me that comes from conflating earlier team success with current individual production. There's absolutely reason to question whether Westbrook can do this new thing without preventing Durant from doing his peak thing when you compare Westbrook as a team-player next to a true point guard like Paul.

Post #9 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:57 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:I don't know, I feel like chris paul has regressed this year

And understandable feeling, but it's still easy to find metrics where Paul is in competition with Westbrook, and while the Clippers are "a disappointment" they've obviously doing better than Westbrook's team.

bigboi · Post #10 » by **bigboi** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:01 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:I don't know, I feel like chris paul has regressed this year

And understandable feeling, but it's still easy to find metrics where Paul is in competition with Westbrook, and while the Clippers are "a disappointment" they've obviously doing better than Westbrook's team.

That's why advanced stats are complete BS. Anyone can find completely random nonsense metrics and be able to argue their position as to why a player is better. One stat might say the player is worse but with the new addition of random garbage stats, people think that they can say a player is better than another player when they really aren't. Paul hasn't been better than Westbrook this season at all. This is the same dumb argument that Paul fans used MVP Rose's year. His stats are much worse, but his random useless advanced stats are so great. Come on, complete nonsense. Paul hasn't been top 5 at all this year, not even top 10 IMO. My list:

Lebron
KD
Curry
Harden
Westbrook

Post #11 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:56 am

bigboi wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:I don't know, I feel like chris paul has regressed this year

And understandable feeling, but it's still easy to find metrics where Paul is in competition with Westbrook, and while the Clippers are "a disappointment" they've obviously doing better than Westbrook's team.

That's why advanced stats are complete BS. Anyone can find completely random nonsense metrics and be able to argue their position as to why a player is better. One stat might say the player is worse but with the new addition of random garbage stats, people think that they can say a player is better than another player when they really aren't. Paul hasn't been better than Westbrook this season at all. This is the same dumb argument that Paul fans used MVP Rose's year. His stats are much worse, but his random useless advanced stats are so great. Come on, complete nonsense. Paul hasn't been top 5 at all this year, not even top 10 IMO. My list:

Lebron
KD
Curry
Harden
Westbrook

Wow, an endangered species here. Someone who dismisses all "advanced stats" together as "BS" more than a decade after the NBA began to transform by using these stats. :wink:

Dude, literally every new stat is based on something real, and thus has a particular meaning. Certainly people can use stats incorrectly, but that's not an issue if you just take the time to understand the stats themselves, and then you can tear down there arguments with something objective.

ceiling raiser · Post #12 » by **ceiling raiser** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:03 am

bigboi wrote:That's why advanced stats are complete BS. Anyone can find completely random nonsense metrics and be able to argue their position as to why a player is better. One stat might say the player is worse but with the new addition of random garbage stats, people think that they can say a player is better than another player when they really aren't. Paul hasn't been better than Westbrook this season at all. This is the same dumb argument that Paul fans used MVP Rose's year. His stats are much worse, but his random useless advanced stats are so great. Come on, complete nonsense. Paul hasn't been top 5 at all this year, not even top 10 IMO.

Had a longer response, but decided to edit and back off a bit.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't think "random" is the proper choice of word here, given what the metrics used on this board most frequently represent.

HeartBreakKid · Post #13 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:20 am

What's the argument for Westbrook over Cousins? Cousins seems to be better in everyway (well, as best as we can compare a 1 and a 5).

bigboi · Post #14 » by **bigboi** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:13 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
And understandable feeling, but it's still easy to find metrics where Paul is in competition with Westbrook, and while the Clippers are "a disappointment" they've obviously doing better than Westbrook's team.

That's why advanced stats are complete BS. Anyone can find completely random nonsense metrics and be able to argue their position as to why a player is better. One stat might say the player is worse but with the new addition of random garbage stats, people think that they can say a player is better than another player when they really aren't. Paul hasn't been better than Westbrook this season at all. This is the same dumb argument that Paul fans used MVP Rose's year. His stats are much worse, but his random useless advanced stats are so great. Come on, complete nonsense. Paul hasn't been top 5 at all this year, not even top 10 IMO. My list:

Lebron
KD
Curry
Harden
Westbrook

Wow, an endangered species here. Someone who dismisses all "advanced stats" together as "BS" more than a decade after the NBA began to transform by using these stats.

Dude, literally every new stat is based on something real, and thus has a particular meaning. Certainly people can use stats incorrectly, but that's not an issue if you just take the time to understand the stats themselves, and then you can tear down there arguments with something objective.

I don't dismiss every advanced stat as BS, but advanced stats are constantly misused on this forum, it's ridiculous. Also, there are people that do use BS advanced stats. For example, a poster tried to use synergy to try and say that Derrick Rose was the best defender on Chicago. That shows the flaws in advanced stats. I feel like people rely way too much on advanced stats now and try to pull some BS, especially with Chris Paul.