Jordan vs Kobe vs LeBron

[Johnny Firpo]

2012 is the only example of how LeBron should play during an entire NBA Finals, to date.

2013 as well. Also, Bryant had like 3 terrible finals, and 2 mediocre one.

[afox]

Well, well, well. There are some posters that agree with me!! Imagine that! Where you guys been... I felt like I was on LeBron's hgome planet! And lets get this corrected...Bron is the one who is borderline top 10...Not Kobe...And no one has ever tried to construct an all time great career like this guy...It's shameful...and he's still having trouble doing it!!

[afox]

Well, well, well. There are some posters that agree with me!! Imagine that! Where you guys been... I felt like I was on LeBron's home planet! And lets get this corrected...Bron is the one who is borderline top 10...Not Kobe...And no one has ever tried to construct an all time great career like this guy...It's shameful...and he's still having trouble doing it!!

[te887848]

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kobe

LeBron and Jordan are very close, neck and neck. But give me LeBron's versatility on defense and better vision/playmaking by a hair over Jordan.

Kobe is absolutely third on any reasonable list. He's basically Jordan but worse and less dominant at every aspect.

[Brenice]

And no one has ever tried to construct an all time great career like this guy...It's shameful...and he's still having trouble doing it!!

They only see the social media implications on LeBron's career. But we are now in a generation where kids stack teams on video games or if you are losing, it doesn't cost you a quarter to quit and start over. That's LeBron.

[afox]

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kobe

LeBron and Jordan are very close, neck and neck. But give me LeBron's versatility on defense and better vision/playmaking by a hair over Jordan.

Kobe is absolutely third on any reasonable list. He's basically Jordan but worse and less dominant at every aspect.

Funny...

[JulesWinnfield]

I just can't take some of the narrative around kobe. And as much as I believe he's overrated among casual fans, I gotta give him credit..... He is amazing at cultivating this narrative and manipulating events past and present to continually rebrand himself in the light he wants to be seen, it's so utterly transparent in recent years it's a joke, and he never misses an opportunity. Go throw another staged tirade for the cameras at laker practice so you can show us how much like a caricature of jordan you are. Mr killer.

"He's got a killer instinct Lebron could never dream of" .....you must love his playoff underbite face I guess. Looks so menacing. Too bad this killer instinct doesn't manifest itself in being anything other than vastly inferior to Lebron in elimination games and close out games, game 7s etc. Its a bloodbath of a comparison. Too bad that killer instinct doesn't manifest itself in anything other than about the worst shooting in league history in go ahead/tying shots in the final possession, even though he has a reputation that seems to think otherwise

This is a guy who won most of his rings as a sidekick but is remembered as the ultimate alpha dog. I'm so in awe of how kobe has been able to cultivate this image for himself by basically carrying on his best michael jordan impression for 15 years. I want to throw up listening to his revisionist nonsense and transparent self promotion in all these recent round of interviews. But I have to give him credit, he can play that game well. Much better at manipulating his image than Lebron. That's one of the very few things he does better

[afox]

I just can't take some of the narrative around kobe. And as much as I believe he's overrated among casual fans, I gotta give him credit..... He is amazing at cultivating this narrative and manipulating events past and present to continually rebrand himself in the light he wants to be seen, it's so utterly transparent in recent years it's a joke, and he never misses an opportunity. Go throw another staged tirade for the cameras at laker practice so you can show us how much like a caricature of jordan you are. Mr killer.

"He's got a killer instinct Lebron could never dream of" .....you must love his playoff underbite face I guess. Looks so menacing. Too bad this killer instinct doesn't manifest itself in being anything other than vastly inferior to Lebron in elimination games and close out games, game 7s etc. Its a bloodbath of a comparison. Too bad that killer instinct doesn't manifest itself in anything other than about the worst shooting in league history in go ahead/tying shots in the final possession, even though he has a reputation that seems to think otherwise

This is a guy who won most of his rings as a sidekick but is remembered as the ultimate alpha dog. I'm so in awe of how kobe has been able to cultivate this image for himself by basically carrying on his best michael jordan impression for 15 years. I want to throw up listening to his revisionist nonsense and transparent self promotion in all these recent round of interviews. But I have to give him credit, he can play that game well. Much better at manipulating his image than Lebron. That's one of the very few things he does better

I agree with you on a lot of this!! Especially the rebranding...But to say LeBron is ranked 6th or 7th all time and Kobe isn't top ten...lol...no way...and dude....I hate Kobe...always have...but I know what I saw...with both of them...Bron's chasing titles and barely winning them...He's a great player, but so is Kobe...

[spearsy23]

Why do people use ellipses after every sentence instead of a period and space? To me that's been the biggest question raised in this topic.

[afox]

Why do people use ellipses after every sentence instead of a period and space? To me that's been the biggest question raised in this topic.

Is that when the sun goes behind the moon?

[JulesWinnfield]

I love jordan worshippers who saw what the 94 bulls did talking about stacked teams lebron has. You whine he has a stacked deck in cleveland, yet they're 2-9 without him and his on/off numbers are cartoonish. You whined he had a stacked deck in miami while carrying a load never demanded of a player on a contender (leading in scoring, rebounding, assists and being their stopper at multiple positions), dealt with constant health issues to his cast in postseason, and are witnessing the train wreck he left in his wake after leaving. Even before the bosh issue and even with the luck of having a force of nature like whiteside fall in their lap, as well as replacing lebron with a way above average replacement player in deng, the team is in shambles without the versatile beast who held it all together

Some of you guys possess terrible talent evaluation skills. Or you let an irrational hate of a player cloud your judgement. The argument that lebron has had decisively more around him than a mj or kobe is absolutely absurd. It's an opinion that instantly disqualifies you from being taken seriously

[spearsy23]

I love jordan worshippers who saw what the 94 bulls did talking about stacked teams lebron has. You whine he has a stacked deck in cleveland, yet they're 2-9 without him and his on/off numbers are cartoonish. You whined he had a stacked deck in miami while carrying a load never demanded of a player on a contender (leading in scoring, rebounding, assists and being their stopper at multiple positions), dealt with constant health issues to his cast in postseason, and are witnessing the train wreck he left in his wake after leaving. Even before the bosh issue and even with the luck of having a force of nature like whiteside fall in their lap, as well as replacing lebron with a way above average replacement player in deng, the team is in shambles without the versatile beast who held it all together

Some of you guys possess terrible talent evaluation skills. Or you let an irrational hate of a player cloud your judgement. The argument that lebron has had decisively more around him than a mj or kobe is absolutely absurd. It's an opinion that instantly disqualifies you from being taken seriously

What an odd post for this thread

[afox]

I love jordan worshippers who saw what the 94 bulls did talking about stacked teams lebron has. You whine he has a stacked deck in cleveland, yet they're 2-9 without him and his on/off numbers are cartoonish. You whined he had a stacked deck in miami while carrying a load never demanded of a player on a contender (leading in scoring, rebounding, assists and being their stopper at multiple positions), dealt with constant health issues to his cast in postseason, and are witnessing the train wreck he left in his wake after leaving. Even before the bosh issue and even with the luck of having a force of nature like whiteside fall in their lap, as well as replacing lebron with a way above average replacement player in deng, the team is in shambles without the versatile beast who held it all together

Some of you guys possess terrible talent evaluation skills. Or you let an irrational hate of a player cloud your judgement. The argument that lebron has had decisively more around him than a mj or kobe is absolutely absurd. It's an opinion that instantly disqualifies you from being taken seriously

I don't whine...thank you very much...and you and I both know...removing your best player for 10 games in the middle of the season is gonna be more graphic than starting a season without him(knowing adjustments and roles have to be manipulated)...didn't say he wasn't great...and I never said he had more around him....just that he chased better situations..

[JulesWinnfield]

I love jordan worshippers who saw what the 94 bulls did talking about stacked teams lebron has. You whine he has a stacked deck in cleveland, yet they're 2-9 without him and his on/off numbers are cartoonish. You whined he had a stacked deck in miami while carrying a load never demanded of a player on a contender (leading in scoring, rebounding, assists and being their stopper at multiple positions), dealt with constant health issues to his cast in postseason, and are witnessing the train wreck he left in his wake after leaving. Even before the bosh issue and even with the luck of having a force of nature like whiteside fall in their lap, as well as replacing lebron with a way above average replacement player in deng, the team is in shambles without the versatile beast who held it all together

Some of you guys possess terrible talent evaluation skills. Or you let an irrational hate of a player cloud your judgement. The argument that lebron has had decisively more around him than a mj or kobe is absolutely absurd. It's an opinion that instantly disqualifies you from being taken seriously

What an odd post for this thread

Not at all. Read Bernice's post earlier this page. That's who it's for, and it fits just fine in this thread. I'm having trouble though discerning where your contribution fits in this thread, which to date is complaining about people's use of periods and obviously not paying much attention to the conversation

[spearsy23]

I love jordan worshippers who saw what the 94 bulls did talking about stacked teams lebron has. You whine he has a stacked deck in cleveland, yet they're 2-9 without him and his on/off numbers are cartoonish. You whined he had a stacked deck in miami while carrying a load never demanded of a player on a contender (leading in scoring, rebounding, assists and being their stopper at multiple positions), dealt with constant health issues to his cast in postseason, and are witnessing the train wreck he left in his wake after leaving. Even before the bosh issue and even with the luck of having a force of nature like whiteside fall in their lap, as well as replacing lebron with a way above average replacement player in deng, the team is in shambles without the versatile beast who held it all together

Some of you guys possess terrible talent evaluation skills. Or you let an irrational hate of a player cloud your judgement. The argument that lebron has had decisively more around him than a mj or kobe is absolutely absurd. It's an opinion that instantly disqualifies you from being taken seriously

What an odd post for this thread

Not at all. Read Bernice's post earlier this page. That's who it's for, and it fits just fine in this thread. I'm having trouble though discerning where your contribution fits in this thread, which to date is complaining about people's use of periods and obviously not paying much attention to the conversation

This thread in general is pretty much pointless, it pops up every three days and has a clear cut answer. The only people who don't say MJ-LJ-KB have an obvious agenda. As for Brenice, he said nothing about the Bulls being stacked or a poor team, which makes it odd.

[PaulieWal]

LeBron hasn't impressed me against elite competition in the Finals, other than his 2014 performance which resulted in the greatest embarrassment in the Finals (a year after his team got a sequence of favorable bounces leading to the miracle but clutch Ray Allen 3).

Those must be some incredibly high standards where 29/10/7 in 2012 is not considered impressive.

Anyway, here are Kobe's and LeBron's numbers in the Finals:

LeBron - 24/9/6 on shooting splits of 46/34/76, 42 MPG
Kobe - 25/6/5 on shooting splits of 41/31/85, 43 MPG

If LeBron doesn't impress you in the Finals I hope neither does Kobe.

[HeartBreakKid]

LeBron hasn't impressed me against elite competition in the Finals, other than his 2014 performance which resulted in the greatest embarrassment in the Finals (a year after his team got a sequence of favorable bounces leading to the miracle but clutch Ray Allen 3).

Those must be some incredibly high standards where 29/10/7 in 2012 is not considered impressive.

Anyway, here are Kobe's and LeBron's numbers in the Finals:

LeBron - 24/9/6 on shooting splits of 46/34/76, 42 MPG
Kobe - 25/6/5 on shooting splits of 41/31/85, 43 MPG

If LeBron doesn't impress you in the Finals I hope neither does Kobe.

Kobe Bryant has heart!!!

[afox]

LeBron hasn't impressed me against elite competition in the Finals, other than his 2014 performance which resulted in the greatest embarrassment in the Finals (a year after his team got a sequence of favorable bounces leading to the miracle but clutch Ray Allen 3).

Those must be some incredibly high standards where 29/10/7 in 2012 is not considered impressive.

Anyway, here are Kobe's and LeBron's numbers in the Finals:

LeBron - 24/9/6 on shooting splits of 46/34/76, 42 MPG
Kobe - 25/6/5 on shooting splits of 41/31/85, 43 MPG

If LeBron doesn't impress you in the Finals I hope neither does Kobe.

Kobe Bryant has heart!!!

And the titles!! We can let stats slide a bit if the team wins!!

[BallerTed]

I have them ranked

Jordan
Kobe
Lebron

[Brenice]

Not at all. Read Bernice's post earlier this page. That's who it's for, and it fits just fine in this thread. I'm having trouble though discerning where your contribution fits in this thread, which to date is complaining about people's use of periods and obviously not paying much attention to the conversation

This thread in general is pretty much pointless, it pops up every three days and has a clear cut answer. The only people who don't say MJ-LJ-KB have an obvious agenda. As for Brenice, he said nothing about the Bulls being stacked or a poor team, which makes it odd.[/quote]

The Bulls, Lakers, Celtics, Pistons were all stacked. The Suns, Jazz, Blazers, Knicks, Pacers, and Sonics back then were all stacked too. Once the Bulls got stacked, Jordan won. So Payton, Mailman, Kemp, Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Ewing, Reggie Miller. But Jordan performed in every Finals and the Bulls won 6 of 6.

You see its not how stacked your team is, its about how Jordan, Kobe, or LeBron performed on those teams AT ALL TIMES when their teams had sufficient talent.