New 50 Greatest - from Boston Globe

mischievous · Post #21 » by **mischievous** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:49 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:He was #36 in the 2014 top 100 list. His 12-14 stretch is 3 years of being a top 2-3 player in the league (and would be in most normal season through history) which is right around a contemporary in Wade.

I get where you're coming from but i think Wade has had more high level seasons than KD, so should clearly rank higher.

RSCD3_ · Post #22 » by **RSCD3_** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:51 pm

Quotatious wrote:One of the worst lists I've ever seen. Maybe even THE worst. I don't know how you can put Magic over Kareem, West over LeBron and Shaq (I love West, but come on, he wasn't as good as LeBron or Shaq), Kobe six spots ahead of Duncan is asinine, Pettit over Duncan is equally stupid. Hondo over Hakeem. Hakeem at 18... Cousy over KG, Moses and Barkley... Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised about Hondo and Cousy being so overrated on that list, it was created by Boston Globe, after all...Jerry Lucas over Dirk Nowitzki is totally hilarious. Tiny Archibald over Wade.

Old school bias is just HUGE, and I have no idea what kind of criteria they used, because I tried to figure it out, and I couldn't. Just doesn't make sense.

Or How about this goldmine :lol:

36. Robinson
37. Parish

Elvin Hayes, Isiah Thomas, Jerry Lucas All at least 8 spots higher than Robinson. :rofl:

Wade Over 20 Places away from Hondo :rofl2:

Barry having a spot in the Top 20 when Robinson cant get into the Top 35... :giveup:

Edit: Iverson over Wade is really silly. Paul deserves to be on this list.

Dr Spaceman · Post #23 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:52 pm

mischievous wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:He was #36 in the 2014 top 100 list. His 12-14 stretch is 3 years of being a top 2-3 player in the league (and would be in most normal season through history) which is right around a contemporary in Wade.

I get where you're coming from but i think Wade has had more high level seasons than KD, so should clearly rank higher.

I agree. I have Wade about 10 spots higher, his 11 and 12 are very underrated seasons.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #24 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:54 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:They managed to disrespect basically every legendary big man after Russell/Wilt. I imagine this was a subconscious decision to prop up Russell, which isn't even necessary because very few people have a problem with ranking the greatest winner ever as 2nd GOAT. I think the only big men on the list who couldn't take serious issue with their placement are Malone (15 is about right), Ewing (30 is probably low but not super egregious) and McHale (Boston ftw).

Ewing is sort of a Boston guy because he was a high school star in Cabridge MA.
Does any other list put Ewing above Robinson?

ceiling raiser · Post #25 » by **ceiling raiser** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:08 pm

As ThaRegul8r and others have asserted in the past, it's essential to explicitly the criteria by which you're ranking players, and to stick with it throughout.

This list doesn't really pass the smell test for me...

Manuel Calavera · Post #26 » by **Manuel Calavera** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:09 pm

This is the worst list in the history of lists and violent retribution would not be an overreaction

Dr Positivity · Post #27 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:12 pm

SideshowBob · Post #28 » by **SideshowBob** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:30 pm

I want to know what their criteria was and how consistent they were in sticking to it. It may be a perfect list for all we know and we're just unable to discern why.

But I'm certain there was no criteria established, at least not prior to the list being made.

Post #29 » by **tsherkin** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:40 pm

Ignoring for a moment the specific rankings...

23 Elvin Hayes
27 Jerry Lucas
35 Nate Archibald
37 Robert Parish
41 Hal Greer
42 Dennis Rodman
43 Paul Arizin
46 Lenny Wilkens
50 Dolph Schayes

These are all guys I wouldn't put on this list. I'd even start to reconsider a few others, but I can see their argument a little more. I really wanted to put Cousy and MIkan on this small list of "to removes," but I figured I'd start with the low-hanging fruit, you know?

mischievous · Post #30 » by **mischievous** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:50 pm

SideshowBob wrote:I want to know what their criteria was and how consistent they were in sticking to it. It may be a perfect list for all we know and we're just unable to discern why.

But I'm certain there was no criteria established, at least not prior to the list being made.

There can't be a consistent criteria when Hakeem is behind Hondo lol. It seems like they prop up rings only when they feel like it, then ignore rings when it comes to someone like Duncan. How Durant can be only 3 spots behind Dirk is mind boggling when he has about half the longevity of Dirk. They mention how Wade helped win 3 rings, then have him 40th lol. There really is no consistency whatsoever.

old rem · Post #31 » by **old rem** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:15 pm

Krodis wrote:Duncan is... 16? Garnett is below Bob Cousy and John Stockton? Dirk is... 30? Below Gervin and Lucas and Isiah? Robinson is 36, just barely above Robert Parish and Allen Iverson? Nash is 45th? Shaq is 11th?

Just by glancing at it, it's not a very good list.

SEVERAL got under valued and Celtic stars.. a tad hyped up. Oscar Robertson.....Wilt? They were AWESOME. Where is Curry? Best pure shooter has to be in this. Olajuwon... was damn good..a bit under-valued.

The NBA has changed. Rules changed, strategy evolved. Training now is SO "hi-tech" . I find it a bit silly to TRY to compare NOW to 1960. I hate to even compare NOW to when it was a No Zone/ISO game. I'm old as dirt.....I saw EVERYONE. Oscar...Wilt...they did not have all the hi-tech training stuff. In THIS era... either would have MORE going on, but the evolution of the game would mean they face better athletes . They might not rack up those super stats.. but... would probably be elite. Whatever sport... times change. IMO.....many athletes who were great in other eras, would adapt and be great NOW.. different but great.

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #32 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:35 pm

Well, we know they can count to 50.

Post #33 » by **tsherkin** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:45 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:Well, we know they can count to 50.

They had the editor catch that little issue they had when they first submitted that draft of 30.

ThunderDan9 · Post #34 » by **ThunderDan9** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:24 pm

Wow. Wow.
I tell you what: you go with the most basic stats ever - lets's say ranking the players by PPG+RPG+APG - and still would get a list better than this.

Q listed some of the most stupid anomalies... honestly, the list could go on... my personal favorite is Pettit over Duncan :crazy:

, and Robinson #37, edging out Robert Parish. :crazy:

and then you have Rodman at #42 ahead of 2-time MVP Steve Nash (and Drexler of course). :crazy:

What can you say?

Post #35 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:44 pm

Every time a mainstream sports journalist does anything like this they make clear that they don't have even a small fraction of our understanding in these realms.

SkyHookFTW · Post #36 » by **SkyHookFTW** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:56 pm

I'm honestly surprised that Wilt is 3rd, knowing how much a lot of the Boston media hates Wilt. Maybe they're paying him back for the hatchet jobs the Boston media has done over the years. Putting MJ, Russell, Wilt 1 through 3...I can see that. But man, some of those ranking from 10 on down....ugh!! Shaw should be in top ten IMO. Dirk, Moses, Barkley are too low. Mikan at 29? I guess if you want to count history, but there is no way he is the 29th greatest based on playing ability.

mjj0062 · Post #37 » by **mjj0062** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:03 pm

This list is just awful, but aside from that one thing I am noticing about all these "lists" around the internet is that Shaq is wayyyyyy underrated. I don't understand how so many people could have him out of the top 10 or after guys like kobe. Shaq to me was the most dominant force ever in the nba during his prime year. If I were a gm building a team for those few years I would draft him over mj and im not even joking.

Winsome Gerbil · Post #38 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:16 pm

Well, at lest Davis Robinson is 1 spot better than Robert Parish.

Good list.

_Game7_ · Post #39 » by **_Game7_** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:18 pm

The list isn't the best but I seen some bad ones on here to from so called experts so it evens out.

thizznation · Post #40 » by **thizznation** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:24 pm

SkyHookFTW wrote:I'm honestly surprised that Wilt is 3rd, knowing how much a lot of the Boston media hates Wilt. Maybe they're paying him back for the hatchet jobs the Boston media has done over the years. Putting MJ, Russell, Wilt 1 through 3...I can see that. But man, some of those ranking from 10 on down....ugh!! Shaw should be in top ten IMO. Dirk, Moses, Barkley are too low. Mikan at 29? I guess if you want to count history, but there is no way he is the 29th greatest based on playing ability.

I felt like putting Wilt at number 3 was their attempt to portray themselves as not being Boston homers. :lol: