David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Moderators: PaulieWal, Doctor MJ, Clyde Frazier, penbeast0, trex_8063
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 14,858
- And1: 9,560
- Joined: Aug 01, 2001
- Location: Miami, FL
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Robinson's gap on offense was much bigger. The guy led the freaking league in scoring and still got about 5apg too from the center position, incredibly difficult to do. Green is a great passing PF, but that's about it, as a scorer he's nothing special, not even really efficient, which he should be since he doesn't draw double coverage.
NickAnderson wrote:
How old are you, just curious.
by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53
im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- Bench Warmer
- Posts: 1,257
- And1: 290
- Joined: May 18, 2014
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Winsome Gerbil wrote:lorak wrote:DRob is nowhere near Durant in terms of offensive skills. He would be more like Tyson Chandler, because he didn't have good offensive moves, but offensive rebounding and moving were his strengths.
I help you out with font color.
Is Chandler the go to guy for comparisons, I saw someone comparing Wilt to him as well.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- Phreak50
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,928
- And1: 10,962
- Joined: Feb 01, 2014
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Worst thread I've seen in a long time.
Robinson is one of the all-time great defenders and offensive players during his peak.
Robinson is one of the all-time great defenders and offensive players during his peak.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- PaulieWal
- Forum Mod
- Posts: 13,860
- And1: 16,148
- Joined: Aug 28, 2013
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
lorak wrote:mischievous wrote:lorak wrote:Yes, offensive gap is bigger, as Green's skills are more valuable and thus he is better offensive player.
Are you saying that Drob>Green on defense, but Green>>Drob on offense?
I do. Robinson wasn't as good offensive player as his PPG suggests, while Draymond is extremely valuable with playmaking and spacing he provides. He just isn't go to guy, but it's not like DRob was very good in that role either.
Draymond doesn't provide spacing as much as he is left alone because teams rather stick like glue to Klay, Curry, and now KD. Draymond and Iggy are the beneficiary of the insane spacing that Curry and Klay provide and the former two cannot be classified as spacers.
JordansBulls wrote:The Warriors are basically a good college team until they meet a team with bigs in the NBA.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- Quotatious
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 16,999
- And1: 11,142
- Joined: Nov 15, 2013
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
eminence wrote:Scoring ability is not nearly a large a part of offense as some are making it out to be. Klay is way ahead of Dray as a scorer as well, but despite that we have multiple seasons of evidence suggesting that Dray is easily the more critical player for the Warriors offensive success.
I always like to compare offensive players by trying to imagine who would be better as a focal point, as #1 option on a team, and I would take Klay over Draymond as #1 option on a random team. He could average 25-26 ppg on good efficiency with more shot attempts than he's actually taking in Golden State, while Green really isn't the type of player you want as an offensive centerpiece. He's like 2006 Boris Diaw - extremely valuable offensive player in a proper context, but really more of a 3rd option, a complementary star who can take over a game once in a while when his shot from outside gets hot - game 7 of 2016 finals is the perfect example, but he needs other guys with significant gravity (high volume scorers/playmakers, Curry is the perfect example, or Nash in Diaw's case). Green's offensive success is situational to some extent, more so than Klay's.
Green is a lot better overall player because of his defense, but offensively I would take Klay in a primary role over Dray.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- eminence
- RealGM
- Posts: 15,793
- And1: 10,702
- Joined: Mar 07, 2015
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Ehh, I give up. A team with Draymond on it scores more points than the same team with Klay. But Klay is still a better offensive player because he's the one doing the scoring. It really really doesn't make sense to me.
I bought a boat.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- LoyalKing
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,622
- And1: 1,392
- Joined: May 05, 2011
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
The gap is pretty big on both ends, but I'd say offense.
I don't think DG is good enough even to be a 2nd option offensively on a contender. He is perfect for his role with GS, but we're talking about D-Rob here, an all-time great.
I don't think DG is good enough even to be a 2nd option offensively on a contender. He is perfect for his role with GS, but we're talking about D-Rob here, an all-time great.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,317
- And1: 2,231
- Joined: Nov 23, 2009
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
The same arguments are used against Green since he became superstar, but with time, with every new point of data available, we see that his impact is independent from Curry or Klay. That was clearly seen last year, when the same people predicted that without Steph Green's impact would go down, but that didn't happen.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- pelifan
- RealGM
- Posts: 14,237
- And1: 21,691
- Joined: Aug 12, 2014
- Location: Small market
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
This is like which is bigger the universe or the highest number you can imagine? both are too huge for human comprehension.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- Texas Chuck
- Senior Mod - NBA TnT Forum
- Posts: 85,694
- And1: 88,668
- Joined: May 19, 2012
- Location: Purgatory
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
eminence wrote:Ehh, I give up. A team with Draymond on it scores more points than the same team with Klay. But Klay is still a better offensive player because he's the one doing the scoring. It really really doesn't make sense to me.
That's not exactly what Q is saying tho. He's simply saying he thinks Klay Thompson would be more effective on a team with less weapons than Draymond Green would be. Feel free to disagree with him, but he's not saying Klay averages more points so he's a better offensive player. Cmon you know Q is better than that.
ThunderBolt wrote:I’m going to let some of you in on a little secret I learned on realgm. If you don’t like a thread, not only do you not have to comment but you don’t even have to open it and read it. You’re welcome.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,526
- And1: 8,683
- Joined: Apr 17, 2009
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
eminence wrote:I'd go with defense in Robinson's favor. Offensively I'm not sure if there's a gap at all, Robinson is obviously the better scorer but isn't what I would classify as a super elite guy in that category (playoff woes), while Dray is a far superior lead playmaker and just team ball movement guy in general.
Ding, ding, ding, I think we have a winner. Robinson is arguably the GOAT defensive center, and no matter how versatile Green is there, he cannot hope to match Robinson's DPOY impact. And it's not like Robinson had trouble switching and guarding smaller guys if needed, all while being much bigger and stronger than Green.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- bondom34
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 66,587
- And1: 50,209
- Joined: Mar 01, 2013
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Just a side note but over 2 seasons, Green played 250 minutes without either Curry or Klay on court.
MyUniBroDavis wrote: he was like YALL PEOPLE WHO DOUBT ME WILL SEE YALLS STATS ARE WRONG I HAVE THE BIG BRAIN PLAYS MUCHO NASTY BIG BRAIN BIG CHUNGUS BRAIN YOU BOYS ON UR BBALL REFERENCE NO UNDERSTANDO
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,526
- And1: 8,683
- Joined: Apr 17, 2009
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Phreak50 wrote:Worst thread I've seen in a long time.
Robinson is one of the all-time great defenders and offensive players during his peak.
You don't understand the question then. OP simply asked where is the bigger gap, on offense, or defense. He never implied Green is close in either category.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- eminence
- RealGM
- Posts: 15,793
- And1: 10,702
- Joined: Mar 07, 2015
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Texas Chuck wrote:eminence wrote:Ehh, I give up. A team with Draymond on it scores more points than the same team with Klay. But Klay is still a better offensive player because he's the one doing the scoring. It really really doesn't make sense to me.
That's not exactly what Q is saying tho. He's simply saying he thinks Klay Thompson would be more effective on a team with less weapons than Draymond Green would be. Feel free to disagree with him, but he's not saying Klay averages more points so he's a better offensive player. Cmon you know Q is better than that.
You're right, I was unfair to Q. I do think he is incorrect in his assessment though, as the best approximation we have for the situation he describes points us in the opposite direction of his conclusion.
I bought a boat.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,575
- And1: 11,206
- Joined: Jan 16, 2013
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Quotatious wrote:eminence wrote:Scoring ability is not nearly a large a part of offense as some are making it out to be. Klay is way ahead of Dray as a scorer as well, but despite that we have multiple seasons of evidence suggesting that Dray is easily the more critical player for the Warriors offensive success.
I always like to compare offensive players by trying to imagine who would be better as a focal point, as #1 option on a team, and I would take Klay over Draymond as #1 option on a random team. He could average 25-26 ppg on good efficiency with more shot attempts than he's actually taking in Golden State, while Green really isn't the type of player you want as an offensive centerpiece. He's like 2006 Boris Diaw - extremely valuable offensive player in a proper context, but really more of a 3rd option, a complementary star who can take over a game once in a while when his shot from outside gets hot - game 7 of 2016 finals is the perfect example, but he needs other guys with significant gravity (high volume scorers/playmakers, Curry is the perfect example, or Nash in Diaw's case). Green's offensive success is situational to some extent, more so than Klay's.
Green is a lot better overall player because of his defense, but offensively I would take Klay in a primary role over Dray.
People repeat this all the time as if it's some kind of proven fact that's beyond debate. It's not. You need to elaborate. Why would being on a worse team make him worse?
He's not going to suddenly stop doing the things that make him good, so why would that go away? People really, really underestimate how easy it is to be mediocre in the NBA- and by the way Memphis has a much better record than OKC right now. I guess they missed the memo that you can't call someone a star if they don't volume score.
“I’m not the fastest guy on the court, but I can dictate when the race begins.”
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
- bondom34
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 66,587
- And1: 50,209
- Joined: Mar 01, 2013
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
At the same time, there's no definite proof Klay is the worse offensive player. RPM has flipped the two from last year to this year. Multiyear RAPM gives Dray a slight advantage. Single year gave him a huge advantage. In reading that, it feels like to me he's benefiting somewhere from a lineup change between the two, or the spacing offered by a higher volume high efficiency shooter being in the lineup alongside him (Klay). As said above, Green is playing almost exclusively w/ at least one if not both of Curry and Klay (250 minutes total with neither over an entire 2 seasons). That's opening a ton of space that not a single other player in the league is capable of providing via shooting. Klay on the other hand doesn't have as much help from spacing provided by others, since he's actually the focus of the defense. Or in short Dray benefits somewhat from spacing Klay provides. Klay doesn't benefit from that same luxury.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
MyUniBroDavis wrote: he was like YALL PEOPLE WHO DOUBT ME WILL SEE YALLS STATS ARE WRONG I HAVE THE BIG BRAIN PLAYS MUCHO NASTY BIG BRAIN BIG CHUNGUS BRAIN YOU BOYS ON UR BBALL REFERENCE NO UNDERSTANDO
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- Pro Prospect
- Posts: 852
- And1: 349
- Joined: Dec 02, 2014
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
I don't want to open a case for Green over Robinson, because I really don't see it. But just the assumption that someone (DRob) could be "galaxies" better at defense than Green, who is at worst a top 2 defender in the league over the last three years in a really talented era I find incredibly dumb. And this seems to be a common stance in here. Nostalgia is out of control.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,569
- And1: 2,758
- Joined: Dec 14, 2016
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
Offense is obviously the bigger gap, but he has nothing on David Robinson in either category. David Robinson is the 2nd greatest defensive player of the modern era after Dream. I don't understand what the point of this poll is? It seems so random to ask this question with these two players. Also, is this Lorak character serious with his nonsense? Draymond Green is better offensively than David Robinson? Jesus christ.
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 7,675
- And1: 3,482
- Joined: Apr 18, 2015
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
weekend_warrior wrote:I don't want to open a case for Green over Robinson, because I really don't see it. But just the assumption that someone (DRob) could be "galaxies" better at defense than Green, who is at worst a top 2 defender in the league over the last three years in a really talented era I find incredibly dumb. And this seems to be a common stance in here. Nostalgia is out of control.
Who said anything about Drob being galaxies better defensively?
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,569
- And1: 2,758
- Joined: Dec 14, 2016
Re: David Robinson vs Draymond Green
mischievous wrote:weekend_warrior wrote:I don't want to open a case for Green over Robinson, because I really don't see it. But just the assumption that someone (DRob) could be "galaxies" better at defense than Green, who is at worst a top 2 defender in the league over the last three years in a really talented era I find incredibly dumb. And this seems to be a common stance in here. Nostalgia is out of control.
Who said anything about Drob being galaxies better defensively?
...he is galaxies better defensively. I'm not sure what the poster you are quoting is talking about when he says this is a "talented era" when there is no one close to David Robinson's level defensively in the league right now. The last player to be so was probably Dwight before his back and that is over 5 year ago.