Players who had the biggest difference between playing career vs coaching/GM?

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Re: Players who had the biggest difference between playing career vs coaching/GM? 

Post#21 » by KobesScarf » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:12 pm

Quotatious wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:KC Jones was great at both
Mo Cheeks was a great player and bad head coach

KC Jones was not a great player. He was a Tony Allen level player, a defensive specialist with limited offensive ability. The fact that he's a Hall of Famer as a player is a joke. You have KC in the HOF as a player, but not Kevin Johnson or Sidney Moncrief, who were bonafide stars...


KC Jones was a great role player. Much bigger impact than Tony Allen because of his leadership. Think Derek Fisher in terms of intangibles. Off the top of the head I don't think Moncrief or Kevin Johnson had very memorable college careers while KC Jones won 2 national championships with Russell that plays a significant factor as far as making the HOF
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Re: Players who had the biggest difference between playing career vs coaching/GM? 

Post#22 » by wojoaderge » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:32 pm

The Explorer wrote:Doug Collins made an all star team once, but was nothing special as a player. Pretty decent coach for the bulls, sixers, wizards, pistons.

He was a better player
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Re: Players who had the biggest difference between playing career vs coaching/GM? 

Post#23 » by Quotatious » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:21 pm

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The Explorer wrote:Doug Collins made an all star team once, but was nothing special as a player. Pretty decent coach for the bulls, sixers, wizards, pistons.

He was a better player

I think he was good at both playing and coaching. Especially in Philly, he did a hell of a coaching job. Improved them by 14 wins compared to the season with Eddie Jordan as their head coach in 2010, had them well-prepared in the playoffs against the Big 3 Heat, then had an even better season in 2012, pushing the Celtics to 7 games in conference semifinals - those Sixers teams weren't great talent wise, but Collins maximized whatever talent they had - 2013 decline was easy to predict, considering they let Iguodala walk away. I've always liked Doug as a basketball mind (it would be interesting to see what the Bulls could've achieved with him as their head coach if he stayed after 1989 - I don't think they would've been a dynasty that wins 6 championships in 8 years, but I would bet they win 2-3 titles with Collins instead of Phil as HC, because Pippen and Grant were still growing up as players when Jackson took over as HC, so Collins didn't have a chance to work with prime Jordan, Pippen and Grant - he only had Jordan in his prime, the other two were still very much work-in-progress in his last season as head coach, 1988-89 - pushing the 63-win Bad Boy Pistons to 6 games with pretty much just Jordan and role players, and stealing game 1 on the road, was already impressive).

As a player, Collins was like Rip Hamilton or a mid-range oriented Klay Thompson (mid-range instead of 3-point, that is). That's pretty good, too.
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Re: Players who had the biggest difference between playing career vs coaching/GM? 

Post#24 » by penbeast0 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:31 pm

KobesScarf wrote:
Quotatious wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:KC Jones was great at both
Mo Cheeks was a great player and bad head coach

KC Jones was not a great player. He was a Tony Allen level player, a defensive specialist with limited offensive ability. The fact that he's a Hall of Famer as a player is a joke. You have KC in the HOF as a player, but not Kevin Johnson or Sidney Moncrief, who were bonafide stars...


KC Jones was a great role player. Much bigger impact than Tony Allen because of his leadership. Think Derek Fisher in terms of intangibles. Off the top of the head I don't think Moncrief or Kevin Johnson had very memorable college careers while KC Jones won 2 national championships with Russell that plays a significant factor as far as making the HOF


Sid was a legend at Arkansas, leading those Eddie Sutton teams that went to the final 4 at a non-basketball oriented (before that) school and still the only player whose jersey the school has retired. It was before Norm Richardson and the 40 Minutes of Hell, but the uptempo, in your jersey style is the same and you wouldn't have one without the other.

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