Rudy Frenandez vs. Marco Belinelli

[Toxicity]

Rudy is the better all-around player but Marco is more talented... he's just more natural when it comes to play basketball.

Lol, he is more natural and talented but Rudy is the better player?

OK........

Of course. NBA is full of examples like that...

[old rem]

Rudy is the better all-around player but Marco is more talented... he's just more natural when it comes to play basketball.

Lol, he is more natural and talented but Rudy is the better player?

OK........

i do'nt see wat so "lol" about the statement.

Agree. Marco has the long range stroke and a bit better ability as a passer,ballhandler. He could be a plus PG, and he did play some PG for GSW. Rudy,so far,is a lot more focused,mature,consistent.
Right now...Rudy has it. Fast forward 2 years? Marco may come out on top. Not a sure thing. He seemed to backslide at times.

[CB-Blazer]

Well, lets see.

Rudy rebounds alot better, is the more efficient scorer, gets steals alot more often and has better defensive statistics.

Marco shoots threes better and turns the ball over less and Marco's 3 point shooting will probably go back around .400 like it always has been, like Rudy.

Marco is good, Rudy is just a bit better at nearly everything.

I don't understand why Blazers fans have said stats don't matter over 12 games (although nobody was ever arguing that in the first place)

I never said they didn't matter. I just pointed out that Marco is shooting out of his mind right now and like every player, they usually go back to around their average.

, yet Rudy gets a lot more steals based on this season alone.

I wasn't going by just this season alone and I admitt the "alot" was a bit overkill.

Why is Marco's 3pt% going to go down, yet Rudy's steal % won't?

I never said it wouldn't and I fully expect it too.

Also their ts% is practically identical this year.

I was going by career.

But atleast be consistant when making your points between stats.

I never stated if I was using career or this season only, so how do you know if I was being inconsistent with my stats?

Also imo Rudy's more efficient over the last 2 years primarily because he has the luxury of taking a low volume of shots, and a very high % of those are assisted 3 pt'ers.

When you shoot 398 3 pointers in a season, I'd say that it is pretty indicitive of your 3 point shooting ability. I'm not going to say that Rudy hasn't had the luxury of passing but I wouldn't go as far to say that Rudy's 3 pointer shooting would suffer a whole lot if he was assisted less.

And don't act like Marco hasn't had the luxury of passing. He is only assisted

63% of his fga's are 3 pointers, and 90% of his jumpers are assited.

Actually, only 77% are, where did you get your number? Not to mention Belinelli is assisted on 69% of his jumpers, so it's not like there is such a huge discrepency.

Also, they have shot nearly the same percentage from the 3 point line, despite Rudy taking over twice as many three pointers.

A lot of players in the league could have a high ts% if they took such a low volume fga's, with such a high % of them coming from assited 3pter's.

And Marco falls under the same category as Rudy. I think the fact that Rudy has a career .430 FG% and Marco has a career .439FG says alot. Rudy has taken over twice as many three pointers than Marco has in their career, yet is nearly on part as Marco FG% wise. Both players have been used as primarly spot up shooters in their career and it's crazy to state otherwise. Both have had the luxury of passing.....

I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with larger roles, I don't know if Marco's is going to go up because of DD but Rudy's will because Outlaw is hurt.

[Joseph17]

Rudy is the better all-around player but Marco is more talented... he's just more natural when it comes to play basketball.

Lol, he is more natural and talented but Rudy is the better player?

OK........

Prime VC and Sheed are more naturally talented than prime Kobe and Duncan. That doesn't mean they are better.

[3ptchucker]

Rudy wasn't MVP in european champinships but he was included in the all-tournament 5 as best SG

Listen, I tell you again, ask anyone in europe and they will tell you this is a joke. It is as much as a joke as comparing Rudy to Manu (Manu by far).

Rudy led the ACB in points and steals, has a lot of international achievements, and is just the better and more respected player as of now. I don't know about potential, but right now it's not even close. And take into account Rudy has a monkey on his back called Nate.

I am from Europe and Marco to me is always the more talent player then Rudy. Marco is better scorer and better defender. Shooting is about equal and athletic ability is about equal. Marco is better. And "ask anyone in Europe"? What is this? What did Rudy do in Europe that was so great? He was best player on mediocre team and on a team that was not even in top level.

He was star in ACB level and Eurocup level but not in Euroleague level. Euroleague is much superior league to ACB and Eurocup. Never was Rudy consider in top players in Europe, never was he among the elite players which are the best stars of Euroleague. He only play even like 1 year of Euroleague I think his whole career. NBA fans make big exaggerations on how good players like Rudy and Rubio is in Europe. Nothing that is base in reality.

Great post sir!
Portland fans are so biased.

[sca]

Rudy wasn't MVP in european champinships but he was included in the all-tournament 5 as best SG

Listen, I tell you again, ask anyone in europe and they will tell you this is a joke. It is as much as a joke as comparing Rudy to Manu (Manu by far).

Rudy led the ACB in points and steals, has a lot of international achievements, and is just the better and more respected player as of now. I don't know about potential, but right now it's not even close. And take into account Rudy has a monkey on his back called Nate.

nah, you don't know what you're talkin' about. actually belinelli has much more euroleague experience (76 games) than fernandez (30 games).

all rudy has dominated was eurocup, a s***ty s***ty s***ty competition.

[Hendrix]

I never stated if I was using career or this season only, so how do you know if I was being inconsistent with my stats?

Well you were either being inconsistant, or exagerating greatly on some stats.

Actually, only 77% are, where did you get your number? Not to mention Belinelli is assisted on 69% of his jumpers, so it's not like there is such a huge discrepency.

Also, they have shot nearly the same percentage from the 3 point line, despite Rudy taking over twice as many three pointers.

I was thinking about "90% of his shots are jumpers", and just typoe'd. My mistake.

If we're going to include ts%'s and stats from past years I think some context for past years is important too, not just this year. Last year only 59% of his shots were assisted, and he hasn't gotten to have such a have such a high % of his shots come from assisted 3's. That imo helps to explain the 0.25ts% disparity in their ts%'s over the last 2 years.

And Marco falls under the same category as Rudy. I think the fact that Rudy has a career .430 FG% and Marco has a career .439FG says alot. Rudy has taken over twice as many three pointers than Marco has in their career, yet is nearly on part as Marco FG% wise. Both players have been used as primarly spot up shooters in their career and it's crazy to state otherwise. Both have had the luxury of passing.....

I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with larger roles, I don't know if Marco's is going to go up because of DD but Rudy's will because Outlaw is hurt.

Honestly I don't see what the point in usiong Marco's rookie season when we're comparing these 2 are. Yes he shot a horrible FG% in his rookie season, and it hurts his career fg%. But we're comparing the players now-ish, and Rudy was still 2 years away from his first NBA season at Marco's rook age.

I don't think Marco's had near the same luxury as Rudy.

[KOBE_PAUER]

Well, lets see.

Rudy rebounds alot better, is the more efficient scorer, gets steals alot more often and has better defensive statistics.

Marco shoots threes better and turns the ball over less and Marco's 3 point shooting will probably go back around .400 like it always has been, like Rudy.

Marco is good, Rudy is just a bit better at nearly everything.

I don't understand why Blazers fans have said stats don't matter over 12 games (although nobody was ever arguing that in the first place), yet Rudy gets a lot more steals based on this season alone. Over the last 2 years their steal % are pretty much the same. Rudy's steal % is currently the 2nd highest of any player in the last decade. Why is Marco's 3pt% going to go down, yet Rudy's steal % won't?

Also their ts% is practically identical this year. Now if you're going to use last year as well, cool. But atleast be consistant when making your points between stats.

Also imo Rudy's more efficient over the last 2 years primarily because he has the luxury of taking a low volume of shots, and a very high % of those are assisted 3 pt'ers. 63% of his fga's are 3 pointers, and 90% of his jumpers are assited. A lot of players in the league could have a high ts% if they took such a low volume fga's, with such a high % of them coming from assited 3pter's.

In my humble opinion, your ratings have a bad sense, Fernandez is a Superstar prospect, and Bellinelly a good role player as a 3 point shooter. Fernandez is more than a shooter, I think he showed that in the Olympic final against all the superstars in this championship, that guy has something special, I think he will be the new international basketball icon after Nowitzki in a few years, but you cant rate him playing with the Blazers without a starting role with Brandon Roy in his position. And I am not a Blazers fan.

[WesWesley]

In my humble opinion, your ratings have a bad sense, Fernandez is a Superstar prospect, and Bellinelly a good role player as a 3 point shooter. Fernandez is more than a shooter, I think he showed that in the Olympic final against all the superstars in this championship, that guy has something special, I think he will be the new international basketball icon after Nowitzki in a few years, but you cant rate him playing with the Blazers without a starting role with Brandon Roy in his position. And I am not a Blazers fan.

Post of the year. And not because you think that Fernandez will be good, but because you said that you're not even a Blazers fan.

[Kabookalu]

Post of the year. And not because you think that Fernandez will be good, but because you said that you're not even a Blazers fan.

+1

[eslr]

If Belinelli were so clearly an equal prospect to Rudy you would think some team would have given slightly more than absolutely nothing up for him over the summer.

[Toxicity]

If Belinelli were so clearly an equal prospect to Rudy you would think some team would have given slightly more than absolutely nothing up for him over the summer.

So we can say Marco was picked earlier than Rudy in the 2007 draft... so he had to be the better prospect.

[farzi]

Rudy slipped because of his contract situation. He clearly wasn't coming over (unlike Rubio). Other GM's said he'd have been a top 10 pick in the next draft if he were in it.

[Joel Embust]

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[3ptchucker]

Marco with the assist of the night
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_p ... ef:nbahpt2

[Kabookalu]

RealGM, where Raptors fans happen.

Yeah because this is such a one sided comparison right?

[Nothingface]

RealGM, where Raptors fans happen.

This site would dry up and wither, were it not for Raptors fans.

[Nothingface]

Marco with the assist of the night
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_p ... ef:nbahpt2

He makes at least one or two passes like that every game he gets minutes.

[Jack wore plaid]

Um.....Rudy can pass too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v192yAW_7qw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKnr1Ieu4z0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x5ed1fK ... re=related

[Kabookalu]

No one said he couldn't pass.